French question

[ForsakenAvenger]

Hi!

We are a group a french DA players that have been playing the ancien game for a long time now... and of course everybody here is very pleased with the new system and is multiplying the battles, at home, and in shops from Paris, in order to make this great game popular!

It's a shame DA models are so hard to find here (we use the online shop beacause some news take more than six months to reach our shop!!)...

As we try to make more and more people know the game, we've thought it would be a good idea to make a french website for DA fans, just like Battle-group did with Warmachine (they did very very well and are now THE official french site), showing models, making french cards and translanting some fluff and rules! In fact, a great majority of french players will hesitate to invest in a new game, even a great game, if it is not available partially in french (stupid french guys!! :lol: )

So the real question for me here is: what would be allowed to do on a foreign website with DA material, now that you have to pay for the rules??

Would we be allowed to:
- translate the future quick start rules as you don't have to buy the book?
- use photos and drawings from Brom from the DA website?
- translate the stats of the models present in the book (important!!)?
- use pictures from painted models from the official website?
- make french cards?
- translate some fluff from the book, maybe to describe some models?
- ...

Well you can imagine the other questions I think... :wink:
We would like to make a website, well updated, well illustrated and that would make people want to play the game... here in France... and maybe elsewhere!

A gallery, a FAQ, rules, stat lines, fluff... :P
I hope we'll be able to do that and present it to the community in some weeks/months!!

Thanks for your answers... if you agree to give me some! :wink:
Bye!

Fred

[Pr0fane]

Bonjour Fred.

Welcome to our new world, our Genesis.

The issue of translation is not a new one. If I remember correctly, there is a company that carries Dark Age in France (Grafter will have to confirm this) and they did the "official" french translation of the previous version of the rules. I'd like to find out the intention of this company regarding translations of the new rules before I commit to anything with you and your community.

Having said that, we can definitely discuss a plan of attack for this idea. Please hold on to your interest and this idea. I will let you know how we are going to proceed.

Thanks for the offer, by the way!!

[punkrabbitt]

In fact, a great majority of french players will hesitate to invest in a new game, even a great game, if it is not available partially in french (stupid french guys!! :lol: )

I have the same problems with American guys if the rules aren't even partially in English.

[ForsakenAvenger]

Feels so good to have such a quick answer!!

As far as I know the company that orders DA models to sell it here (Fenryll France), and made some very light support to the game (like giving already printed rules and forcelists to customers) may be stopping selling your products this year ( :evil: ), and discontinue the support action!

I don't really know if they are planning to change their mind and think about a french translation for the rules... quick start or even rules from the book!!

But what I'm sure about, is that pictures of OUR painted models, battle reports, home made descripitions, tips, tactics, FAQ maybe and some other ideas are "free" material on which we can start to build the squelleton of our website... and we will use anything YOU guys from the DA team will allow us to use!! :D

And we'll keep playing!! 8)

Feel free to contact me in private if your want to give me some piece of info or advise... or on this thread!

And thank you again!

PS: we already have so much stuff translated for our personal use!! :D :D :D

[Pr0fane]

Fred, I'll give you the basics for now, since you seem so interested.

1. It is important that the printed rulebook, if you own it, should not be translated. This would be copyright infringement. Very bad mojo.

2. I personally will support your efforts to translate anything that is available as a free download. Meaning, if you want to translate the Quickstart Rules and Quickstart Forces, I will allow that to even be brought into the 'official' format and host them directly off of the Dark Age server.

3. Any content you find on the website, you can translate and use on your website.

4. Images from Brom; you should ask on a case-by-case basis. Not all Brom images are Dark Age licensed.

5. You can use miniature images from the site, making it clear that these are official Dark Age images.

....there are obviously more points, but these are my initial thoughts, based on the effort to translate the last version into German.

[ForsakenAvenger]

Thanks a lot... once again!!

Of course we bought the new rulebook (still waiting for mine in fact as your online shop staff forgot it in our last order hahaha!!)... and foresaw it would be difficult to include stat lines for models except (temporarily) those from the free forcelists of the website.

Still we think it could maybe be possible one day, as www.battle-group.com had been allowed to translated all the warmachine cards, that are copyrighted stuff (but available in each booster which is different from you... of course!) in french on the website.

But you're answer means a great amount of stuff is available to us if we want to make a website worth it's reputation!! 8)

So many thanks and we'll be starting the job very soon...
I have to go back to my brush and paints! :wink:

Merci encore!
Fred

[Freakbrain]

what a pity. I was in Paris three months ago :( Would have been cool to play a round.

Good luck with your crusade!

[korath]

hi all :D

first, sorry for my english, you'll see i am a noob with this language so be nice plz :oops:

i am a french guy very very interesting by DA. I just bought the new rule book at ur online strore and i sill waiting it for 2 weeks (i hope it' ll come soon :? )

Then, i want to give my support to Fred, i am thinking that DA is a great game and the miniatures are beautifull and different of all i see until this day. Thx for the support u give to foreign players and long life to DA!

To fred:
[i]Bon fred, t'as vu l

[ForsakenAvenger]

Salut!!

Oui c'est bien nous qui

[prclimber]

Fred,

Si vous avez besoin d'aide, je serais vraiment heureux d'aider tu et ta groupe. Bonne chance avec le site!

~Paul

[ForsakenAvenger]

Si vous avez besoin d'aide, je serais vraiment heureux d'aider tu et ta groupe. Bonne chance avec le site!

And I shall not forget it!! :)

Where are you from? Do you play in Paris?

[ForsakenAvenger]

what a pity. I was in Paris three months ago :( Would have been cool to play a round.

Good luck with your crusade!

Thank you!! You'll see the result... one day!!

And next time you come to Paris, write us a word here... we'll organize something for you!! The same for the other DA_members!!

See you!! :wink:

[prclimber]

And I shall not forget it!!

Don't! lol.

Where are you from? Do you play in Paris?
Eh, bien, je suis Am

[ForsakenAvenger]

Presque parfait ton fran

[prclimber]

[quote]Presque parfait ton fran

[ForsakenAvenger]

OK thanks!!

When we start the work on the website, we'll contact you if necessary!

What do you think of the name "Cyclone " and the little (reduced) header for the website I put in my signature? :wink:

Fred

[korath]

ok fred ;)

je serais l

[DA_Demorney]

lol

sounds to me like you're discussing cooking recipes

[ForsakenAvenger]

OK sorry for the french text...

We'll try to write in english on the forum and in french in pm only!!

Ok Korath?? :wink:

[DA_Demorney]

grin

it's ok for me, just couldn't ignore the occassion for a joke...

and yes, if you continue in English we could perhaps give some hints or support ;)

[prclimber]

Hehe oops, just trying to help them feel a bit more comfortable, I know how it is being in an enviroment where nobody speaks your language. Even when you speak their language you know it's not perfect. Anyways, be sure to contact me about the site, Cyclone sounds pretty good, I'll see if I can maybe think of some other stuff too just to give you some ideas.

[korath]

ok ok i am sorry for french :oops: .... it is just easier to me :roll:
i will work to write good english in the future :D

[Art-de-Vivre]

Salut Fred !

J'apprends avec plaisir que l'on joue

[punkrabbitt]

ok ok i am sorry for french :oops: .... it is just easier to me :roll:
i will work to write good english in the future :D

Hey, write bad english if it helps! As long as we can figure out what you mean and your "Locationb" indicates and non-English country, we're all cool.

For all of you native English speakers out there, I am the Grammar Nazi. Typos are allowed, poor grammar is not.

[DA_Demorney]

He's right, I'm bad @ English too and its fun - whenever I drive someone mad I blame the language barrier ;)

[DA_Magpie]

Whereas my bad English is just inexcusable. :wink:

[ForsakenAvenger]

Hi Art-de-Vivre!!

We play in Paris, in a shop called Dreamwej located near Place de la Nation... or at home!!

When you come to Paris with your DA minis, drop us a mail, and we'll be able to play some games! ;)

And thank you for your help on the website...
Everyone in our group is veryveryveryvery enthousiastic (wrong typo maybe! :? ) and lots of translating and painting has been started! :wink:

8) DA is coming to France... and this time it's for good!! 8)

[ForsakenAvenger]

And now you can click the banner in my signature... just for a (very simple) foretaste... :wink:

[Art-de-Vivre]

Hi Art-de-Vivre!!

When you come to Paris with your DA minis, drop us a mail, and we'll be able to play some games! ;)

And thank you for your help on the website...


will do !
btw, we're preparing the 1st Malaysian game convention which happens this weekend; I took a day off tomorrow for last minute painting...
I printed 180 DA flyers , repaired my obsidian terrain etc..., what a day !

[m0nk3yb0y]

Glad to see that you have a site up. :D

Only thing that I can suggest from a design standpoint is to not have that white border around the images, it seems to be distracting to the eye.

[korath]

Good good, i see the job is growing. Monk is right, the border line is ugly!

see u later for a game Fred :P

[korath]

h

[ForsakenAvenger]

Me too!!! Just received it today... and it is signed!! 8)

[korath]

oh yeah, i saw that! it is so great!

[ForsakenAvenger]

Will you come to play with us this week??

[gunslinger]

He's right, I'm bad @ English too and its fun - whenever I drive someone mad I blame the language barrier ;)

either that or you blame me.. lol

[korath]

Will you come to play with us this week??

not yet, i have to read all rules first.... i think next week will be better.... thx for the invit' (i don't know if it is the good word in english)

i'll mail u.

[gunslinger]

i think next week will be better.... thx for the invit' (i don't know if it is the good word in english)

i'll mail u.

thanks for the invite works perfectly in this case..

[Lulu]

Salut les frenchie.

Je post ici car nous sommes les nouveaux distributeurs de dark Age en France. Nous sommes aujourd'hui sur le point de faire. Nous avons recontr

[Pr0fane]

Bonjour Lulu.

I believe it is me that you are attempting to contact. Please try my "[email protected]" email address.

But please be aware; [i]je ne parle pas fran

[Lulu]

I have contacted Fred. He was the one I wanted to talked to. Thanks

Regards

Lulu
Magic Relic

[kainthedragoonx]

Starting to have flashbacks to me trying to navagate the french confrontation forums for up to the minute info... :propellor:

Anyway, welcome to the game man, this is probably the best Sci-fi game around, and in my top 3 favorite all time mini games...

Just keep your hands away from some of the posters...they bite ;)

[raziel691]

Bonjour st

[gunslinger]

you guys might want to take personal contacts to either pm's or emails.. not trying to shut you down or anything, but it's more appropriate that way