A couple questions...

[DrRazr]

Ok I've got some things I've been thinking about:

1... Is the Huntress model supposed to be the Bounty Hunter in Gen.?

2... Why would someone want a box of strikes? From the book, you'd have to play over 1000pt games to even field strikes and the box of 6 would require 6000pt+ games. I know they're neat and fun to paint, but I can't see getting much gaming value out of that.

3... Because Dedlock moves between the northern saints will she be on all the lists?

4... Can you tell us which models will be Mark Only?

Thanks in advance,
Doc

[DA_Magpie]

Ok, just based on what I know as a fan and therefor not official in any way, here goes:

1. Yes.

2.I think you're confusing Stikes with Warwinds. Strike are great, I'd field them in quite small games although they are a bit expensive points wise.

3.I imagine that she'll be available for Mark, Mary and Luke as all would control northern territory, but not John as he's in the south.

4.Shades, Junkers and Reavers, plus Mark himself obviously.

[Vaxillus]

1) Yes, like Magpie said

2) if I'm not mistaken, 1 squad for 1,000 points means that you can take 1 squad in any game that is less than or equal to 1000 points. 1001-2000 lets you field two and so on.

3) It says in the book that she's St. Mark and St. Mary only (under her unit restrictions). Even though she's loyal to St. Luke, there's fluff in the book that says she makes him uneasy.

4) Mag has it right

[Pr0fane]

Here, I'll stamp it official. All of the above are correct.

[DrRazr]

Ok While I think this should be easy, this info isn't what my book says.

#2 The Strikes: It says in my book "1 per 1000 points" I contrast this with the Coils for example which state "1 squad per 500 points". The Ravage states "1 squad per 750", while the firestorms state "1 per 1000 Points" Hasn't anyone else noticed this? This seems to indicate what I said earlier about 6000pt games. If this is indeed supposed to say "1 SQUAD per xxx points" as the firestorm should probably too, then some errate needs updating. I just downloaded it and I didn't find it on there. I've been following this game for a while and if I can come to this assumption, I'm sure new players could as well.

#3 Vax, where did you find this unit restriction? I am not finding this info.

[Pr0fane]

Doc, you are correct. There are typo entries for both Firestorm and Strike squads. It should indeed read "1 Squad per 1, 000 points".

[DA_MrSota]

I've updated the eratta posting

Clarification:
Junkers-Availability 1 squad per 1000
Firestorm-Availability 1 squad per 1000
Strike-Availability 1 squad per 1000

[Vaxillus]

#3 Vax, where did you find this unit restriction? I am not finding this info.
Page 111 > "Availability: Unique - St. Mark, St Mary only"

[DrRazr]

Interesting. My book doesn't say that. Just "Unique" I didn't know there was more than one version of the book already.
It doesn't say that on the card in my book either. Maybe this explains why I'm getting confused with some of the points and such and nobody else seems to be.

[Vaxillus]

Yeah, I just got my copy, so it may be newer. Still one or two typos present though :roll: .

[DA_Grafter]

Sorry about the confusion.

Here is what happened. We had a drop dead October release date, we released a short run of Genesis. There were some typos and we corrected them in the second printing in March, with a couple of minor changes. All of which is detailed in the FAQ.

When it comes to 1 per xxx points, it is always a squad. We will of course correct it at any later printing just to make sure that it is crystal clear.

[DrRazr]

Maybe because its 1:30 in the morning, or something, but I find that post kind of offensive.

All of which is detailed in the FAQ.
It came across to me that I should have known that, since it was in the FAQ.
I love posts like this that don't provide a link to said FAQ. I see no link to a FAQ on the Home page. I see no sticky/announcement in any forum named FAQ. A search for FAQ shows 4 items, one is this page and the other three are asking when they can get it to download. The only FAQ I see is at the top and its for general forum usage.

So it looks like I got an early release. I checked the book I see no revision numbers anywhere. Do the newer versions show a revision number, or are they just the same with the proper changes? Makes buying a book of the internet difficult, if you want a later printing.

[punkrabbitt]

It's always 1:30AM somewhere in the world, eh?

Unlike some of the bigger companies out there, we're all just ordinary guys and gals here at the Dark Age Virtual Office. We don't always have copy editors on hand to make sure our replies are 100% inoffensive, and the 1:30AM syndrome strikes again!

There is some confusion about the FAQ. I know tis because I decided to look for it after you said it was hard to find, and believe me, unless you can magically determine that "FAQ" reads as "Genesis Errata" it's gonna be a long search. This is the problem with a Virtual Office, we have five different people working pretty much independently in four different time zones and we occasionally refer to things differently.

The Genesis Errata can be found at http://www.dark-age.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=573 and I do apologize for everyone involved that we have been a bit blurry on the issue.

And yes, I have a first printing as well, and have this nice little stack of printouts that I take gaming with me. But it still beats the binderful of printouits I had two years ago ;)

I hope that clears up the confusion for everyone, and I hope no one is too upset by our internal translation errors.

:rabbit:

[DrRazr]

I have the Errata and if you read my other post I requested some updates. It doesn't say anywhere about...ahh wait. My assumption was it said in the FAQ about there being 2 different prints. I see now the intention was "all the minor changes" were detailed in the FAQ/errata. I had no idea there was two prints, I just thought the errata was errors from the one print.

oh well. All happy again. :)

[DA_Grafter]

Again. This was done with the best intentions. We spotted the mistakes, and a) we can wait and change them in a few years, or b) bite the bullet and change them now, we chose to fix it immediately.

[Pr0fane]

To shed a little more light on this situation, we do not have the market that the 'big guys' do so we can print our books in a more limited run. For example, the first run may have been 500 books. Once those 500 are sold/commited, we go back to the printer and get another 500. If we find typos/errata in the meantime, the 2nd run can incorporate these minor changes. We are pretty confident that this is the best solution for everybody involved. Note that changes we would introduce from one run to the next, may not be rules changes, but rather typos and minor changes only.

[Artemis Black]

Interesting. My book doesn't say that. Just "Unique" I didn't know there was more than one version of the book already.
It doesn't say that on the card in my book either. Maybe this explains why I'm getting confused with some of the points and such and nobody else seems to be.

I think this particular clarification is unnecessary. You can't choose Units from other forcelists anyway so putting 'Saint Mark only' on a unit which is only in the Saint Mark list is a bit redundant. It's like writing 'Dark Age only' on them all in case a 40k player adds some Bangers to his line-up :)

It also handcuffs future projects, if the Dark Age staff put out future saints, who they would like Dedlock to work for it means that Genesis and Exodus are now incorrect and she's not 'Saint Mark, Saint Mary only'.

[Vaxillus]

I doubt it will handcuff future projects, as it seems to me as though there will be only four saints. DA has other ideas for human races it seems... (besides, when will they be completely done with the current batch, 2010? :P )

As for it being unecessary, I'm not so sure. The forcelists in the expansion may be in the same form as what we see in the current test lists, since you need Genesis to play anyway. In this case, it might be a bit redundant, but repetition is important to get a point across.

[Stunke]

Though I get the joke about being finished in 2010, I really appreciate the way that a lot of minies are published even before the official rules are out, and not the other way around.
And the fact that a lot of rank and file minies are even cooler than some of the more expensive characters, is a great bonus too. It really adds to the painting motivation when the cannon fodder-part of your army is comprised of dynamic and detailed models. The skarrd bolas and Charity buzzblades are prime examples, the skarrd tribes really has some top notch model IMO.
And some extremely cool fluff, the coolest shamans around, the coolest big-guys (NO, dragyri trueborns are NOT cooler than drillheads, razes, warheads and abominations), extreme tactical flexiblity and the all-time coolest spell: Cataclysmic Aneurysm
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Hummmmmm "POP" (and away goes the Ice Arbiters artery)

Okay, slightly off track here

[DA_Magpie]

That reminds me of a question I've had for a bit. We're getting box-sets of lots of Forsaken units (mention of a Junker box the other day!), but the only thing for Skarrd are Harpies. Will we be seeing boxes of Buzzblades and, main interest for me right now, Charities Might or Bolas?

[Pr0fane]

The focus of boxes is due to Genesis. You'll definitely start seeing Skarrd boxes once Exodus is released.

[Ochaye Beers]

Calling for reinforcements already Magpie? :twisted:

[Vaxillus]

My assumption is that DAG is trying to put out the entire line of minis for Genesis as fast as they can, and will then switch to Exodus. The Skarrd probably don't have much that needs to be done at this point other than Drillheads, alternate troop sculpts, and a few new characters, but the Forsaken seem to lack their specialty units and the Dargyri just need a Spirit Lord and some alternate troop sculpts. Seems like the printers are what is holding up the boxed sets though.

[DA_Magpie]

I could be quite wrong but there were a few units we'd heard nothing about before hand that appeared in Genesis. So I'm betting there'll be one or two surprises in Exodus as well. And they'll need miniatures.
That's as well as the Fetish Bearer of course. Can't forget the Fetish Bearer.

[Shinobi]

So I'm betting there'll be one or two surprises in Exodus as well.

:twisted: Pretty safe bet...... *cough* *cough*


That's as well as the Fetish Bearer of course. Can't forget the Fetish Bearer.

Definitely not, such a sweet model, and a nice unit to have in the game as well........ hehehehe

[Artemis Black]

I could be quite wrong but there were a few units we'd heard nothing about before hand that appeared in Genesis.

Kelta'Rik, Junkers and Lucky.

[DA_Grafter]

Kelta'Rik, Junkers and Lucky.

Those have all been addressed, just a matter of catching up on releases caused by the delay of the boxes...

[Artemis Black]

Kelta'Rik, Junkers and Lucky.

Those have all been addressed, just a matter of catching up on releases caused by the delay of the boxes...

*grin* I think you answered an imaginary question ;)
I was just answering Magpie's semi-question of who the unannounced units in Genesis were.

[Vaxillus]

I'm starting to wonder if this is the time when the tide flows in before the tidal wave of new releases hits.

[DA_Magpie]

@ Artemis: I knew who the unannounced miniatures in Genesis, I was just far too lazy to look them up and make sure I didn't forget anyone. But cheers for covering for me. :wink:

@ Vaxillus: Umbrella at the ready.