What kind of a gamer are you?

[Stunke]

I know.
Stunke you always leave [insert obscure socially dysfunctional demand here] out of the poll.
I know, I always leave something out, but post whatever you think is missing and let us all know what kind of gamer you are. :wink:

[Racel]

"Other"

(Sad Pathetic Whipped Depressed Miniature Game Hobbyist) Loves the entire idea behind miniature gaming. Buys every game that comes out, along with a ton of minis. Occasionally even reads the rules and compares them to other rules and discusses them online with like minded rules freaks. Spends tons of money stockpiling everything than can possibly be needed to play any miniature game known or build any type of terrain. Writes about gaming on forums and dreams about being one of the forum members that always seems to have time to play several different games at a time. Dreams of playing any miniature game since Life prevents such efforts even after all the buying and stockpiling. Writes pathetic post like this one since getting to play any game seems near impossible. Leaves the forum on a regular bases to go back to what he/she was

[Stunke]

Hahahaha, that one was the "collector" option btw!
But good luck on combating that evil disease :D
I tend to be of the same kind, but I can feel how my 7 years of being away from wargaming, has helped me straighten out my priorities.
I threw everything out a couple of years ago or gave it to one of my girlfriends little brother, so I started completely from scratch when I stumbled upon Darkage.
Damn I can't even remember when I saw this game the first time. :shock:

Although Infinity sure does look cool, as does warmachine, and I still got that Urban War intro game coming up... *sigh*

[Racel]

Hahahaha, that one was the "collector" option btw!


Sorry, but "Collector" was just not pathetic enough or depressed enough. Also, some of us do not fall in love with every rules set. That would actually require reading the rules and or playing the game BEFORE stockpiling everything needed to play it. Good example for me was Warmachine, but at least I have been cured of that infection. Once I actually get to play the game, sometime years later, and learn I hate it, its already too late and I have enough minis to open a game store.

Damn, I have been found. Back to work for me. Being "Productive" is far too highly rated!

Jeff

[DA_Magpie]

I think should probably be

[Tantrum]

The nerd poll was pretty daft, but this is a better one.

I put myself sown as a powerplay style.

T.

[Vaxillus]

I guess I'm sorta a collector. More of a painter type of collector. I love building up an army and looking at stuff when I'm done painting it. I hate actually painting though. It's the finished result I'm concerned with (why I'm not a painter). I also like reading and comparing rulesets, just not enough to fork over a ton of money for it. I never really get much gaming done, my friends and I always get distracted. Then again, Confrontation and Warhammer aren't exactly fast to play. Hopefully this will change with DA.

[tnjrp]

Voted for "idiot" since that's pretty much the rep I have on the 'net and in our group*. Not that I've ever vanished for weeks to do calculations. Sure I'm not a star pupil in math but these days, spreadsheets do the leg work :roll:

Anyway, this probably stems from my obsessive need to tinker with the rules and troops combined with a pretty competetive playing environment where everybody should be on the equal footing, within reason. As I'm (almost) never satistifed with what I've given, and I lack the resources to playtest every addition to perfection, I work on points costs calculators and stuff like that for a larger-than-heatlhy part of the time.

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*) Within our group, I get "so if it's not matemathically proven, it's not good enough for you?" a lot

[Tantrum]

This is an interesting thread.

As an aside I am curious about the economic level of most gamers.

Wonder how many enjoy fantasy because there are not too many reasons to dream of "real-world success?"

Quote:

"We are living the American Dream in reverse.

The minimum wage buys less today than it did when Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton opened his first Walton

[steeldragon]

I'm a fluff gamer... if I can't find a fluff reason to field something I don't use it... if it's not coherent, then I don't use it... even if that means I'll be at a disadvantage... but I play for the fun, the beers and the chinese food, not for winning... and when I win, I get very happy... not using some unfluffy combos helps the strategist we have inside... I even use some fluff strategies even if it's not the wiser of choices :roll:

Andres

[Stunke]

Hats off for that man.
Sometimes I wish I could approach wargaming that way... but then again, I enjoy the sweetness of victory too much.

[Artemis Black]

Other

I think that wargaming and roleplaying are far better hobbies for our children than x-box and playstation (as long as they are complemented by some form of physical exercise or team sport).

Unfortunately I think the vocal minority will never let the hobby out of the niche of 'losers do that' that the hobby is perennially stuck in.

[Vaxillus]

I think we forgot two categories:

(Whiner/Rules Bender): The kind who push the rules to the limit, and will do anything to win. Not so much a powergamer as someone who thinke they can see your figure if a millimeter of the weapon is showing. Their in every gaming group, and are never any fun to play. Very common in Mage Knight tournaments I hear (crazy collectors who NEED that SE tournament prize).

(Delusional Adolescent): I'm all for getting youngsters into the hobby, but there are a few who should not be allowed near the gaming store. The kind that watch a single game and think they know the rules. The kind who whine to their parents untill they throw down $200 for a GW army box and the fixins. The kind who give young gamers their notorious name. Bring the leashes.

:lol:

[Stunke]

Actually I did initially plan on including the rulesbender... but I just thought it to be SO dishonourable that no one would admit to it.

well no, i forgot!

[DarkHost]

[quote=Tantrum]This is an interesting thread.

As an aside I am curious about the economic level of most gamers.

Wonder how many enjoy fantasy because there are not too many reasons to dream of "real-world success?"

Quote:

"We are living the American Dream in reverse.

The minimum wage buys less today than it did when Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton opened his first Walton

[DarkHost]

Other

I think that wargaming and roleplaying are far better hobbies for our children than x-box and playstation (as long as they are complemented by some form of physical exercise or team sport).

Unfortunately I think the vocal minority will never let the hobby out of the niche of 'losers do that' that the hobby is perennially stuck in.

The vocal/smelly minority, to be more exact.

[Sharae]

Other

I think that wargaming and roleplaying are far better hobbies for our children than x-box and playstation (as long as they are complemented by some form of physical exercise or team sport).

Unfortunately I think the vocal minority will never let the hobby out of the niche of 'losers do that' that the hobby is perennially stuck in.

The vocal/smelly minority, to be more exact.

I definately agree there Artemis. If I ever have kids *Hears the screams of fear from man-kind off in the distance* they will definately be introduced to wargaming and roleplay, for one thing these things involve some form of social interaction/awareness ("she doesn't like losing and I like these shoes, hmmmm..."), imagination and, in the case of RP, it will teach them the fine art of charisma/lying. A vital life skill I feel ;)

And to all those "Adult themes! I mustn't make my children aware of any badness, I mean that might actually prepare them for adulthood and the real world!" I think I already made my point.

Back to topic: I put other. I am interested in painting for now, but also like the fluff very much and will play when the real world stops trying to force essays and artwork out of me that will be criticised to hell anyway... Stressed? Me? Nooooooooo... :cry:

[Artemis Black]

Other

I think that wargaming and roleplaying are far better hobbies for our children than x-box and playstation (as long as they are complemented by some form of physical exercise or team sport).

Unfortunately I think the vocal minority will never let the hobby out of the niche of 'losers do that' that the hobby is perennially stuck in.

The vocal/smelly minority, to be more exact.

I definately agree there Artemis. If I ever have kids *Hears the screams of fear from man-kind off in the distance* they will definately be introduced to wargaming and roleplay, for one thing these things involve some form of social interaction/awareness ("she doesn't like losing and I like these shoes, hmmmm..."), imagination and, in the case of RP, it will teach them the fine art of charisma/lying. A vital life skill I feel ;)

Both wargaming and roleplaying exercise maths skills, english language/vocabulary skills, imagination, lateral thinking, strategic thinking and general knowledge. I value all of those more than the slight increase in hand eye coordination that vegging out in front of a console offers.
Plus both wargaming and roleplaying require real life people to be in your presence which is going to get more and more rare as technology moves along.

[xeoran]

Very true Artemis, my vocabulary/art skills/writing skills all come from wargaming.......
And its nice to have something inclusive. Nice to meet other like minded people. And most importantly in my case to unlesh my inner geek.... :D

[Vaxillus]

Wargaming is the reason my vocabulary is bigger than that of my English honors girlfriend :P . The words have a certain military twist to them though...

[xeoran]

Sometimes even that military speak gets into your usual language......even for an Englishman!

[Shinobi]

I had to put 'Obsessive'......

I have tons of games, tons and tons of minis, and try to play with as many as possible.

However, I also tend to be a 'Fluff Gamer'. Most of my games and armies are based on the fluff rather than being armies designed to win.

[xeoran]

Fluff gaming to me is the noblest art. Rather that than win at all cost nuts....

[Stunke]

It sure is. I wish i could get myself to do it more.

[gunslinger]

Both wargaming and roleplaying exercise maths skills, english language/vocabulary skills, imagination, lateral thinking, strategic thinking and general knowledge. I value all of those more than the slight increase in hand eye coordination that vegging out in front of a console offers.
Plus both wargaming and roleplaying require real life people to be in your presence which is going to get more and more rare as technology moves along.

wargaming and roleplaying also teach some pretty stupid skills like rules lawyering, badgering, tom foolery and shenanigans, misinterpretation and just plain poor sportsmanship.. so let's not fool ourselves and think that gaming only has positive points.. it can and usually does have a mixture of all of the above.. it takes the pious and intelligent and those willing to stick to their morals to become what we truly would hope to be gaming role models..

[Artemis Black]

Both wargaming and roleplaying exercise maths skills, english language/vocabulary skills, imagination, lateral thinking, strategic thinking and general knowledge. I value all of those more than the slight increase in hand eye coordination that vegging out in front of a console offers.
Plus both wargaming and roleplaying require real life people to be in your presence which is going to get more and more rare as technology moves along.

wargaming and roleplaying also teach some pretty stupid skills like rules lawyering, badgering, tom foolery and shenanigans, misinterpretation and just plain poor sportsmanship.. so let's not fool ourselves and think that gaming only has positive points.. it can and usually does have a mixture of all of the above.. it takes the pious and intelligent and those willing to stick to their morals to become what we truly would hope to be gaming role models..

Wargaming doesn't teach you those skills, the skils I listed are practically guaranteed to get better when you wargame and roleplay. The skills you listed are guaranteed to get better if you are a twat. Not really the same thing.

[xeoran]

...Elegantly put Artemis....

Anyways if that is you're of that temperment at least you can be a literate twat.... :shock:

[Shinobi]

LOL

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/phpbb/images/smiles/rofl3.gif

Gaming doesn't teach people to be rules lawyers, selfish, win-at-all-costs, poor sportsmanship etc etc............ these people already have those luvverly attributes, its just that for these people, games offer them an outlet for their much-loved antics........ however, having the right gaming community can soon kick the proverbial sh!t out of them, allowing these coveted members of our hobby to become much better contributors to the hobby and society in general 8)

[gunslinger]

Wargaming doesn't teach you those skills, the skils I listed are practically guaranteed to get better when you wargame and roleplay. The skills you listed are guaranteed to get better if you are a twat. Not really the same thing.

i was playing devil's advocate.. and on that same note.. wargaming doesn't teach you much then, if you don't already have the pretendency to do something.. but i personally think if you hang around douchebags, you become a douchebag and that was the point i was trying to make..

it isn't the gaming that is teaching.. it is the people you choose to game with that will determine your playstyle..

I am not stepping on your toes Artemis, although it does seems you took offense to my statement.. i am merely pointing out it isn't as simple as..

wargaming = hey all things good.. it depends no so many variables, it is al most ludicrous to even try to bring them all up.. fell free if you would like to .. but you will never have a definative list.. and someone will always disagree..

[Artemis Black]

Wargaming doesn't teach you those skills, the skils I listed are practically guaranteed to get better when you wargame and roleplay. The skills you listed are guaranteed to get better if you are a twat. Not really the same thing.

i was playing devil's advocate.. and on that same note.. wargaming doesn't teach you much then, if you don't already have the pretendency to do something.. but i personally think if you hang around douchebags, you become a douchebag and that was the point i was trying to make..

I understood the point, I just think it's wrong. You 'cannot' fully play wargames and roleplaying games without the skills I listed increasing (Unless of course you already have a level of all those skills higher than the games you play). You 'can' fully play wargames and roleplaying games without becoming a rules lawyer or any of the other 'character traits' you mentioned. It simply isn't a correct analogy.


it isn't the gaming that is teaching.. it is the people you choose to game with that will determine your playstyle..

Possibly, but as none of the things I mentioned were 'playstyle' I'm not really certain of the relevance. It's the game itself and the skills necessary to play them that I was talking about. You listed a bunch of character traits that have nothing to do with the ability to play those games.


[I am not stepping on your toes Artemis, although it does seems you took offense to my statement.. i am merely pointing out it isn't as simple as..

wargaming = hey all things good.. it depends no so many variables, it is al most ludicrous to even try to bring them all up.. fell free if you would like to .. but you will never have a definative list.. and someone will always disagree..

I didn't take offense, I just thought, and still think, that you were wrong. Your analogy was clearly incorrect and listing a bunch of character traits that aren't necessary to play wargaming was pointless.

[Duskland]

I had to vote obsessive.

My main problem is that I'm an impulse buyer and there are so many cool new miniatures being released every week. So I end up with lots of fun-to-paint minis without the game systems, so I pick up the game systems which means I need more minis. Its a vicious cycle :cry: .

[gunslinger]

I understood the point, I just think it's wrong. You 'cannot' fully play wargames and roleplaying games without the skills I listed increasing (Unless of course you already have a level of all those skills higher than the games you play). You 'can' fully play wargames and roleplaying games without becoming a rules lawyer or any of the other 'character traits' you mentioned. It simply isn't a correct analogy..

well quite frankly you can get those other skills you mention from things other than wargaming.. my analogy may not fit your criteria and to be honest i am not trying to fit it.. i still stand by my points.. i disagree with your general stroke of the brush as well..



so as it stands i will agree to disagree.. it's all good.. one can't be right all the time.. i typed up a huge diatribe on what i felt but decided it was a waste of my time.. so you just the short version.. bam

[Artemis Black]

I understood the point, I just think it's wrong. You 'cannot' fully play wargames and roleplaying games without the skills I listed increasing (Unless of course you already have a level of all those skills higher than the games you play). You 'can' fully play wargames and roleplaying games without becoming a rules lawyer or any of the other 'character traits' you mentioned. It simply isn't a correct analogy..

well quite frankly you can get those other skills you mention from things other than wargaming..

Yes you can. However that's irrelevant to the point at hand.



my analogy may not fit your criteria and to be honest i am not trying to fit it..

It's not really 'my' criteria. It's simply the definition of analogy.