IRS and Down's Syndrome

[Stunke]

Just wanted to remind everyone that you really ought to check up on your IRS laws.

Mathematically inclined and hard working as I am, I have been working and therefore paying taxes since I was 13 years old. This means that I have a somewhat good grasp of how the danish tax laws function. As opposed to a lot of people at my age (again, nerdyness does come in handy from time to time)

Today I recieved a letter from the danish IRS telling me that I owed them 980$ in unpaid taxes.
:shock: :shock: :shock:

Pissed off, I stomped into my "office" and tore every scrap of paper I had on jobs and taxed I've paid over the last year and sent in a new taxform.
Now they owe me 1142$, since they can't read the numbers on their own homepage.
Seriously, I went into the IRS homepage to see what figures they had on my income last year, and it was exactly the same that was on all the papers I had gotten from my employers. But the numbers on the letter they send me had NO relevance whatsoever to any of it!
I know a lot of people who would have just slumped down and started counting up the money, and it can piss me off that errors like that can occur. I'm a student. Paying that kind of money would ruin my economy for the next six months.

WTF!
That's 2122$ of difference between your Down's-struck tourettic idiocy, from five minutes of copy paste correction, based on your own numbers.
Get your numbers right you stupid bast****!!! :evil:

Aaaaaaaaah, feels SO good.

Have a nice day everybody :D

[Pr0fane]

Glad you stuck it to them! Now you can have a beer on them.

[DA_Magpie]

What

[gunslinger]

just be lucky you can stomp into their office.. try that here in the united states and you will give up after be sent to 300 different people who know exactly who you need to speak with, but it certainly isn't them.. then after you fill out 450 forms to "claim the IRS made a mistake" and after 3 years waiting, you might, just might have someone contact you.. by then you have forgotten..

[Stunke]

Yup, sure am happy those things can be fixed in a jiffy.
I can't imagine the horror af having to trudge from office to office, foaming around the mouth because they fudge up, and then send you on an orienteering course around their office waiting for you to tire enough to capitulate.

All is well in (communist) Denmark. Although I fear the current government might have undue grandiose feelings about our role in global society, but thats a subject for another thread.

:wink:

[steeldragon]

Denmark has a communist regime?

Andres

[Stunke]

Hehehe not officially, but we've had a very strong emphasis on social politics for 80 years, so in many ways we function like a modern communist country would, without all the dictatorship and such.
We have a lot of liberal laws too, so it doesn't all go to hell in a handbasket as communism eventually will, but Denmark is a very left wing country, even for european standards.

Although the extreme right is gaining a frightening amount of support at the moment.
The political party associated with the danish neo-nazies, have found a way to place themselves in an odd mix of nationality, social politics and extreme rightwing propaganda, and are having a lot of success pulling it through with the danish population, since a lot of our media is very right wing, and very unethic too. So they are now the third biggest political party in Denmark.
I could go on and on about danish media, but I'll bore you to death with it.
Antropologists and political commentators are worried beyond compare about the direction danish politics are going at the moment, and frankly so am I. The participation in Iraq, sort of gave the impression that Denmark was now some superpower, at least that was what happened in the head of our primeminister. We are 5 million people, and 20 million pigs in Denmark, but our foreignminister acts as if were a military super power, and not an agricultural country.
It's depressing to say the least.

*Back on topic*
We pay enourmous amounts of taxes, but this also means that you are almost never thrown out of your home, you don't pay a single cent to go to the hospital, no matter how long you're there, you're taken care of once you get old, you get money from the state when you study, like I do, and once you reach the pension age, you get paid a symbolic amount again, so no one has to be poor.

This means that Denmark hasn't really got any social classes. Some are rich and some are poor of course, but no one has to live in utter poverty unless they are addicts. And even they can recieve copious amounts of help to get rid of their problems.
Education is free for everyone, so even the poorest bastards can take a degree in medicine if they want to, and many do.

The money we get paid, can all be spent on food, our home and entertainment. Almost everything else is already taken care of by the state. So as of now, I call Denmark a communist country, partly in jest. :wink:

[xeoran]

Dont worry, English politics is much worse......(dont start me, I'm a current affairs junkie), much, much worse.

Ah, I love European politics.......

Any left wing state will eventually have a right wing backlash, its always going to happen. the thing to remember is that even if they do get into power they then have to do everything meaning actual changes are not going to be as huge or sweeping as thye ay have seemed.

[steeldragon]

At least the system sounds great... I do not pay taxes at all, but I have to pay for my education, health, house and everything else... and I manage how much money goes to my pension, so if I don't take care I won't be receiving a dime... we give that pension money to one of several corporations... according to how many years you payed to the system and how much they assure you a base pension... the money they receive they put them in any investment they think worthy, so there is a percentage of your pension that can increase or decrease with the flows of economics, you also decide the amount of "risk" you want to take with your pension money... I really think it's a good system... if only we were able to provide health and unemployment insurance... :roll:

We are on the other side of the fence, regarding to economics, at least... funny thing is that even if the system is very rightsided, and was designed and developed by a rightminded goverment, for the last 15 years we've been governed by a left wing coalition...

Andres

[Stunke]

10% tax before write offs, between 42% and 63% tax rate after!

once you get to the 73% tax level, overall productivity falls :wink:

[gunslinger]

10% tax before write offs, between 42% and 63% tax rate after!

once you get to the 73% tax level, overall productivity falls :wink:


was immer sie sprechen uber

(whatever you are talking about) did i get that right?

[Stunke]

i earn 100 bucks.
10% is taken off for some general social-thing
then i get a tax write off of about 30 bucks.
this leaves me with 60 to pay taxes from
41% taxes off = 35,4 rest.
Add the writeoff and I've been paid 65,4 out of 100 kroner worth of income.

Once tax levels reach 63% the total income becomes 52,2 out of the initial 100.

Does this make more sense then?

edit: Carpenters make about 24,7 dollars per hour, so thats about standard wages.
But then again, we've got 180% taxes on cars and the like, so we need all we can scrape together.

[Wayne Rogers]

O my gawd! This is why I'm a Libertarian!

*To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

*A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

*I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

*I have the consolation of having added nothing to my private fortune during my public service, and of retiring with hands clean as they are empty.
---
Thomas Jefferson



*The only security men can have for their political liberty, consists in keeping their money in their own pockets.

*But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: 'Your money, or your life.' And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the roadside, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful. The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a 'protector,' and that he takes men's money against their will, merely to enable him to 'protect' those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful 'sovereign,' on account of the 'protection' he affords you. He does not keep 'protecting' you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.
---
Lysander Spooner



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[gunslinger]

does this make more sense then?

it does.. what my german accurate?

[Stunke]

I've experienced a lot of the good things, high taxes bring with them, and I really REALLY do not mind paying them.
Seriously.

The danish healthcare system made it possible for me to overcome 3 years of nonstop hospitalizing(2 birthdays on a hospital, how lame is that?), meningitis, and even saved my cousin from cancer twice. I'll pay whatever it takes to make sure that people around me can afford to have a relative hospitalised for long periods of time, without giving money a moments thougth.

I understand all the wise words of liberalism, and I even agree with a lot of it, but I am not willing to admit to a fullbred liberal policy, because the impact it would make on most of the people I know, would be too dire for me to desire. Just as well as I am not willing to submit to a fullbred socialist policy, because it works just as little as liberalism does. Both are nice dreams, but the reality of human nature makes them just that. Dreams.

National politics will probably fluctuate between liberalism and socialism (roughly speaking) because once a society becomes too parted, the ones at the bottom of the foodchain will fight back, and regain their share. Once the shares gets too evenly divided, people will fight to keep what they can earn, and society swings back towards the class separations and such.

Denmark has reached that point where most people have the same life quality (again roughly speaking), so I guess thats why were turning towards liberal policies again. Although as soon as it dawned on people that only the industries and house-owners profitted from the tax regulations, they realized that part of the reason that they were wealthy at all, was because of the social policies that have been the core of danish politics since the 60's.

I know many of the drawbacks and benefits of both extremes of political observance, and I will rest my beliefs somewhat to the left of the middle of the two. My fathers family has been "working-class" since the early 1900, and in four generations, I am the first in line to actually educate beyond carpenter/mason. This would not have been possible, had it not been for the danish social-democrats (socioliberals), as we wouldn't be able to afford it.

bla bla bla...

Sorry about the rant, but my heads about to fall off. I've been debating poltics on a daily basis since the Muhammed drawing incident, and I'm f**** tired of it. I think I switch to auto-mode whenever the subject of politics comes up.

:wink:

[Stunke]

does this make more sense then?

it does.. what my german accurate?

Was immer sprechen sie

[Sharae]

<randomness>

Die Eier von Satan

Eine halbe Tasse Staubzucker
Ein Viertel Teel

[Stunke]

Tool, in case someone wants to know who makes such music. And it's a recipe for hash cake.

[Sharae]

Tool, in case someone wants to know who makes such music. And it's a recipe for hash cake.

But they make it sound so evil... Evil cake! Bad! No eggs!

(Too much coffee again, I fear)

[Stunke]

You do have a tendency of coming through as quite manic.
Do you usually post when doped on caffeine, or is it really just a energetic disposition?

[Sharae]

Durring the day I'm usually doped up on caffeine, otherwise I'm a total zombie. Muuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrr, Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiins...

In the evening and night I'm just energetic :D

[DA_Magpie]

You do have a tendency of coming through as quite manic.
Do you usually post when doped on caffeine, or is it really just a energetic disposition?

If anyone needs me I

[punkrabbitt]

[quote=Magpie]If anyone needs me I

[gunslinger]

i think magpie is too close ot the source and would probably receive bodily harm from sharae..

[Stunke]

It'll cost him a shoe for sure!

[Sharae]

*Laughs*

My violent tendancies have such renown!

I wouldn't hurt you Mags... Honest... ;)

*Eyes his shoes*

[DA_Magpie]

I don

[Pr0fane]

[quote=Magpie]If anyone needs me I

[Freakbrain]

"Proof of Aselan/Demorney"

pah, is my english that good, that you don't remember me? :)

[gunslinger]

*Laughs*

My violent tendancies have such renown!

i wouldn't be worried about violent tendencies.. those are easy enough seen.. it is the "heat of the moment" occurances that would scare me..

[Stunke]

"Proof of Aselan/Demorney"

pah, is my english that good, that you don't remember me? :)

No, that might not be it. :?
I remember Aselan 'cause he cut me the worst deal of his life in brood models, and Demorney because there was talk of slaughtering sheep back in the old forum... and somehow the thought of a german shepherd bathed in blood, doing fiction for Darkage kind of stuck with me. :twisted:

Rest assured, you will be remembered from now on. :wink:
Plus I've been living through the most stressed out week of my life, so I fear my concentration might be at a minimum.
Seriously, I've been sitting on front of the computer from 9.00 to 24.00 doing homework, NONSTOP since last sunday. Except for a rollerhockey referee-exam I had to attend tuesday...
but now...NOW I get to play some Darkage.

MUHUHAHAHAHAHA :shock:

[DA_Magpie]

Plus I've been living through the most stressed out week of my life, so I fear my concentration might be at a minimum.
Seriously, I've been sitting on front of the computer from 9.00 to 24.00 doing homework, NONSTOP since last sunday.

Solidarity brother.
Today I found out my dissertation word count is twice what we'd been told it was to be.
17 days to go, all I've got to do is write it. :x