The State of Things

[Jordan]

http://daregeneration.blogspot.com/2006/04/legislating-boredom.html

Too funny not to read, too sad not to be creeped out about. You get the government you deserve, after all.

[Vaxillus]

Oh no, not my buttplugs (http://buttplughatch3.ytmnsfw.com/)!

[punkrabbitt]

Just when I started dating again, too. What ever shall we do to entertain ourselves? That would kind of force the actual sex issue, wouldn't it?

[Sharae]

What? That is seriously f***ed up.


"There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always -- do not forget this, Winston -- always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face ...for ever."

[prclimber]

Wow...and I live in South Carolina...unfortunately that is...

*mumbles about uber-conservatives in SC who seem to not think most of the time and end up doing stupid stuff like this that, while not important when compared to other more idiotic political decisions, does still demonstrate what sort of people are elected to offices in the deep south...nothing against morals but please...come on this is ridiculous...*

[Racel]

@ prclimber

I agree 1000% with the mumbled coments. I wish people could just get with the concept of live and let live. Just because some one thinks their religious or political views are the greatest thing since sliced bread, does not mean they have the right to tell me how to live my life or what I should believe. If I hear one more ignorant pissant conservative piece of crap try to explain to me that their views are right becaues theirs are the same as our founding fathers, I think I WILL kill them. If they truely read the history of our founding father's and their beliefs, they would not be so quick to use them as examples of modern conservative beliefs.

Ok, sorry, pet peeve of mine. Makes me a little angry, especially since I live in the south . . . . . .

Later,

Jeff

[Sharae]

Just because some one thinks their religious or political views are the greatest thing since sliced bread, does not mean they have the right to tell me how to live my life or what I should believe.



Amen to that...

[Vaxillus]

I'm sure someone is going to take this to the supreme court and it will get overturned. For the sake of humanity I hope so. If not, that's one more snapped string in my rope. Once my frayed rope of self control snaps I'm organizing a revolution. I'm not exactly a sex toy user myself, but it's seriously rediculous to ban them. It's not like they're harmful (well, maybe if overused).



Next they'll be banning condoms I'm sure :roll: :lol: .

[Wayne Rogers]

@ prclimber

I agree 1000% with the mumbled coments. I wish people could just get with the concept of live and let live. Just because some one thinks their religious or political views are the greatest thing since sliced bread, does not mean they have the right to tell me how to live my life or what I should believe. If I hear one more ignorant pissant conservative piece of crap try to explain to me that their views are right becaues theirs are the same as our founding fathers, I think I WILL kill them. If they truely read the history of our founding father's and their beliefs, they would not be so quick to use them as examples of modern conservative beliefs.

Ok, sorry, pet peeve of mine. Makes me a little angry, especially since I live in the south . . . . . .

Later,

Jeff

Hey hear you Jeff. There is TONS of revisionism and misperceptions about our founders and the philosophies that started off this nation. Im not sure whether to chalk it up to ignorance from not reading...or from being misled by the popular history books that they DO read.

A couple of my favorite books are "The politically Incorrect Guide to American History" by Thomas Woods; and "The Real Lincoln" and "FDR's Folly" by Thomas DiLorenzo. And of course, anything by Ludwig Von Mises, Murray Rothbard, and Lysander Spooner. If you know anything about those names then you can guess what leaning I am. 8)

[prclimber]

Jeff, yeah I agree with you, I feel like everyone should be entitled to live their own life the way they want to, I feel like the founding fathers set up this country to be a place where every man or woman regardless of how they live or think or act would be able to lead their life as they chose to lead it without government interference. Yes, the government does need to play a role in it to some degree but things like this are just ridiculous. Me, personally, am a strong Christian but I do not feel the need to push my opinions on other people, I am a firm believer of separation of church and state and feel like if the conservatives are going to exclude every other religion or belief from their policies then they themselves should be excluded as well. I feel like either every single religious group is equally represented or it is run as a "blank" government in which religion plays as little of a role as possible. Since representing everyone is nigh impossible that leaves us with the other option, an option that I for one feel like is how it was intended to be.

[punkrabbitt]

Next they'll be banning condoms I'm sure :roll: :lol: .

Gotta have condoms. Otherwise round two oral is yucky!

http://www.trojancondoms.com/

[Sharae]

I'm sure someone is going to take this to the supreme court and it will get overturned. For the sake of humanity I hope so. If not, that's one more snapped string in my rope. Once my frayed rope of self control snaps I'm organizing a revolution.

I damn well hope so!


I'm not exactly a sex toy user myself, but it's seriously rediculous to ban them. It's not like they're harmful (well, maybe if overused).

ANYTHING that takes away from a persons right to choose for themselves is a bad thing.


Next they'll be banning condoms I'm sure :roll: :lol: .

If they get away with banning sex toys it wouldn't suprise me to see them get away with that too. After all, if people are having lots of fun safe sex we wont get lots more babies to brainwash-er I mean make into good christians...

[Sharae]

Gotta have condoms. Otherwise round two oral is yucky!



I heard that oral is legally equivalent to sodomy in some states in the US, as in illegal? Now that would be madness...

How legality can even apply to sex between consenting adults is totally beyond me.

[punkrabbitt]

Yes, it is illegal in some states, but not here in Nevada. Instead there is a dollar cap on how much can be charged for it.

Life without oral? What ever would my tongue do?

[mooseyjoe]

Eat cinnamon toast crunch, one of the true joys in life.

[Sharae]

Yes, it is illegal in some states

It's official: The USA is totally insane :wink:

Go to war with Iraq, destroy the enviroment, these things I can understand, but make oral illegal? Madness.

[m0nk3yb0y]

O noes, my girlfriends purple friend could become a fugitive of the law!

[m0nk3yb0y]

Yes, it is illegal in some states

It's official: The USA is totally insane :wink:

Go to war with Iraq, destroy the enviroment, these things I can understand, but make oral illegal? Madness.

Don't blame us, they all originally came from England.

[Sharae]

Don't blame us, they all originally came from England.

:roll:

Despite what the movies tell you, you can't blame everything on the evil English.

"Jeeves, fetch me my slippers and some Earl Grey after you execute those poor starving Irish children. Muhahahahahahahahaaaaaa!"

Besides, the English love being pervy, they just don't talk about it. If our government tried to ban sex toys/oral/fun, they posibly wouldn't talk much about that either. The houses of parliment and the prime minister would probably be on fire though.

[Racel]

Hey hear you Jeff. There is TONS of revisionism and misperceptions about our founders and the philosophies that started off this nation. Im not sure whether to chalk it up to ignorance from not reading...or from being misled by the popular history books that they DO read.

First, I am familiar with some of those books. My background is in World History (Two Degrees, one pure History and one in Social Science Education), but I try to keep up with US history, or at least the real account of it. I was forced to teach US History and US Government in a very conservative county in Georgia. My teaching style and constant attempts to get students to think and not just buy into the brain washing of how great America is got me into more than a little trouble. I tried to tell students that nations do not have feelings and nations never ever act out of feelings of kindness and charity. People might do good things for the right reasons, but nations always have a reason for their actions. Ever wonder why some countries get money and help and others are left to rot? Well, if you have something we want or need, the US will help, other wise, get out of the way before we run you over. I think people need to realize politicians are all power hungry crooks looking out for their own good. If they doing anything for those the represent, its to make sure they get re-elected to their office so they can continue to abuse their power. Most of the founding fathers were scoundrels, smugglers and other less desirables, so the US government has not changed much in the last 200+ years.

I learned things teaching high school that were very useful. First, I learned that suggesting dying for a piece of fabric (the US flag) was stupid and insane. You can die to protect you life and your family, but dying for an abstract political goal seems absurd to me. Too many people embracing ultra-nationalistic ideas without a thought as to what they themselves really believe. Too easy to let others do the thinking for you instead of taking the time to do it yourself. Second, calling American wars such as the Mexican War, The Vietnam War, the various Indian Wars and even the current Iraq War as "Wars of American Aggression" strikes some conservatives in a rather unkind way. They get more than a little bent out of shape, especially when I used primary documents that described horrible events and atrocities committed in the Mexican War and then had a discussion about who was responsible. The students said the Mexicans, as expected, but they were horrified to learn that American troops were responsible (sources included U. S. Grant's accounts). Third, describing American westward expansion affectionately called Manifest Destiny, as American Colonialism was frowned upon. Comparing Manifest Destiny to Hitler

[Sharae]

:clapper:

[m0nk3yb0y]

Don't blame us, they all originally came from England.

:roll:

Despite what the movies tell you, you can't blame everything on the evil English.

"Jeeves, fetch me my slippers and some Earl Grey after you execute those poor starving Irish children. Muhahahahahahahahaaaaaa!"

Besides, the English love being pervy, they just don't talk about it. If our government tried to ban sex toys/oral/fun, they posibly wouldn't talk much about that either. The houses of parliment and the prime minister would probably be on fire though.

I'm not blaming it on the English perse (and I don't think they're evil, they definitely get some things right), just saying that it's the result of something they did. :P The original colonists weren't exactly the best people Briitain had to offer ;) and their ideals are what this is based on really.

Let's not forgot what country made their own religion so that the King could divorce his wife. :P The saddest part of it is that people still follow it I believe.

[Jordan]

Let's not forgot what country made their own religion so that the King could divorce his wife. :P The saddest part of it is that people still follow it I believe.

Hey, no reason to knock the Church of England - check out Eddie Izzard's commentary on the CoE to see its benefits - possibly the most laid-back church in the world, from vicars reading sermons out of Cosmopolitan to CoE extremists chanting "Tea and Cake or Death!" (http://www.auntiemomo.com/cakeordeath/d2ktranscription.html#churchofengland) The transcript of course does it no justice but you at least are one step into the circle.

[DA_Magpie]

What! Religion out of control, sex banned, politicians up to no good and Eddie Izzard! This sounds like exactly the sort of thread I should be ranting it. Why was I wasting my time on silly sleeping?!

First off: Racel, allow me to echo Sharae's sentiment regarding that rant!
Second point: M0nk3yb0y

[Racel]

@ Magpie

Nice rant! Looks like things across the pound are not so different from the USA! :D Wait a minute, why am I glad they are the same? On second thought, too bad things are the same! Lets hope we can wake up some day and find that everyone in the world has realized that we are all humans, we all have the same rights to freedom liberty and happiness as long as those don't infringe on other's rights, and that all people's cultures and religions are equal and none should be raised on a pedistal. Ya, who am I kidding. That's an impossible fairy tale! :(

Jeff

[Sharae]

Yes indeed, this is a pet peeve of mine but I am so sick of being told about Christian missionaries/Mother Teresa being somehow better than me. Ah yes, but I haven't helped cause the spread of AIDS now have I?

You've gotta love the Pope.

Hmmm I wonder who is best to tell us how to deal with sexual issues? How about highly repressed celebate man with a God complex, who's probably never been near a woman. Let's get someone to dictate to masses of followers a way of behaving that has absolutely no effect on him.

Does he care if lots of people die because of what he says? Not likely.
Will he ever get AIDS? Not likely. Shame.
Will he ever have sex with women? Not likely.
Will he ever get pregnant? Not likely. Shame.

Women get nothing but down sides from unprotected sex, and men get all the ups, so why doesn't it suprise me that a man advocates this... Though in the Popes case it would be more to do with increasing the christian population than for pleasure, because pleasure from sex is also wrong, especially if you're a woman. And choosing not to have a child if you're pregnant is evil, nice stance if you don't actually have to physically deal with making that choice, asshole.

I'd like to see the Pope pass an object the size of a melon through his wang and then try to look down on women.

"I thank thee oh lord that I was not born a slave,
I thank thee oh lord that I was not born a woman." A lovely little prayer there.

I thank thee oh lord that I was not born a jackass.

'Cause you know us women are so filthy with our menstrating and our being able to give birth which we should of course be ashamed of and made to feel is ugly. This has nothing to do with repressing very old matriarchy based religious beliefs that once rivaled christianity. "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress of the enemy to live."

Did you know that the cross is a very old and simple symbol for repressenting the phalus? Mmmm... I love that little fact, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy every time I walk into a church. Steeples stem from the same sort of thing. *Cackles*

My steeple is so much bigger than yours :lol:

And before anyone gets at me for christian bashing there are examples of women being looked down upon in every major world religion, because they're all patriarchal, run by men, for men, worshiping men, and not even doing a very good job of that. Shame as they seem to mostly stem from very good intentions. It just happens that christianity is the one closest to home.


Lets hope we can wake up some day and find that everyone in the world has realized that we are all humans, we all have the same rights to freedom liberty and happiness as long as those don't infringe on other's rights, and that all people's cultures and religions are equal and none should be raised on a pedistal. Ya, who am I kidding. That's an impossible fairy tale!

Still, it's nice to dream...

[gunslinger]

[quote=Magpie]

The fact is though

[Sharae]

DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU!

I was thinking of that very phrase myself.

[m0nk3yb0y]

Let's not forgot what country made their own religion so that the King could divorce his wife. :P The saddest part of it is that people still follow it I believe.

Hey, no reason to knock the Church of England - check out Eddie Izzard's commentary on the CoE to see its benefits - possibly the most laid-back church in the world, from vicars reading sermons out of Cosmopolitan to CoE extremists chanting "Tea and Cake or Death!" (http://www.auntiemomo.com/cakeordeath/d2ktranscription.html#churchofengland) The transcript of course does it no justice but you at least are one step into the circle.

Eddie Izzard is one of my favorite comedians. I loved the cameo he had in Oceans 12 (kind of weird seeing him not in drag) and I saw The Wild with my girlfriend and her son and immediately noticed that he voiced the koala, which immediately became my favorite character.

"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush. So what do you want?"

"Well, so my choice is 'or death

[DA_Magpie]

@Racel: Sometimes its comforting to find out that we

[gunslinger]

"Let us be good citizens of the nations in which we live. Let us be good neighbors in our communities. Let us acknowledge the diversity of our society, recognizing the good in all people. We need not make any surrender of our theology. But we can set aside any element of suspicion, of provincialism, of parochialism."

this is a quote i try to live by.. I am mainly harmless and like to have a go here and there with people on the forums.. call it forum sparring or whatever, i really don't mean any harm by it and don't intentionally want to put someone down..

where there is that 2 or 3 people i would like to bury in the alley.. (ermm, who said that?)

i think i all starts with us individually.. we have to be able to have our own opinions and dogmas and still be able to look somone else in the eye and feel empathy and sympathy even if they don't agree with us.. i am very religious, i have a neighbor who is an atheist, another who is agnostic and a third who believes that we are alien cast off, they are all good friends and we help each other do things.. why? because we all know that no matter what our beliefs, we are here together on this planet for what other reason than to help.. why take advantage of someone? so what if it nevers gets found out, so what if no one will know, (of course you will know and hide it deep in your bosom to fester and make you bitter and hard to handle) so what if you never see that person again: why not try doing something to help someone and see how you feel when you do it..

want to see the biggest hardest horniest man cry, watch him help someone less than himself.. want to see the big hard man dropped to his knees in humility, watch him help himself..

whatever your hard beliefs, whatever angst you have cause some professor pissed in your oatmeal, whatever bitterness you feel cause missionaries knocked on your door, just sharing a message they feel is important, take a look within and see where the bitterness started.. it started when you forgot to do something for someone.. it started when you locked the doors to your soul when you shut out those that were different, when you barred yourself from feeling what others out their feel..

I would quote a poem that i love to read when i find myself in the throws of sorrow and when i feel i am all alone.. if you are interested PM me.. it is a religious poem and deals with christ, so if you are against you might not want to see it..

i am but one soul on the mortal existance and if i can help but only one other soul and help their life with kindness and consideration, then my life will only be better.. (this wasn't the poem, just something i live by.. )

[Sharae]

[quote=Magpie]not sure that there

[gunslinger]

And as I said before, I find it a shame when I look at the major world religions because they all seem to have started out from something good.

Jesus seems like he was a really great guy. Shame so many assholes choose to ignore what he said, but still in his name.

that is the rub.. mans interpretation ( i use man here meaning mankind, not trying to be a sexist) of anything will never work, if it is divine it must be lead divinely. a church or religion that claims there is no more need for doctrine that there is no more need for guidance is as dead as the prophets they claim to work in the name of.. to think that the world would never change and that all scripture to ever be needed was written up to and certain date and then no more is just plain loopy.

and not everyone who follows the teachings of christ is ignoring what he said.. the problem lies with those individuals that want to rationalize what he said and motivate it in different directions..

if you really take time to search past all the glamor glitz and media driven sources.. to the backbone of all religion lies 2 principles.. that we are all family and the must help each other.. past that some say to find solidarity in meditation, some say find it in scripture or prayer or in self sacrifice if worldly things or an immersion in all things spiritual.. we can't do anything on this planet if we don't work together, to strive to help each other out.. when one group helps and another just sits back and takes advantage of the help, the cycle is broken and nothing good comes of it.. it is no different than when someone in need simply takes charity without so much as offering to help when and where and how they can.

i know i am idealist.. but i would one day love to see a time where those who need have and those that have offer to those that don't.. where every one is equal and no one wants or needs and that life is a constant where we help and are helped, where we learn and teach of the things we need and know.. where my brothers and sisters of other lands our indeed brothers and sisters..


i remember once while i was in Japan (it was 1988) or thereabouts and I was in a port city in the northern part of tohoku (the northern part of the island above tokyo) in a city called SAKATA. I was a missionary then and my missionary campanion was a japanese who had studied russina and polish in college. As we were walking through the town square, i heard some one yell. "Excuse.. are you american?" his accent was very thick and cleary he was from russia. I turned and told him I was.. we conversed about american style, clothes, music, food, tv shows, etc.. the conversation was very interesting as i spoke in English and Japanese, my companion spoke in Japanese, Polish and Russian and the people who we found out were sailors from Russia, spoke in russian, polish and english. I offered him a book to take back to russia, but he informed me that religious books were not allowed in his country and any found would be burned or confiscated. we talked a bit more and as we parted his said..

(this is from nearly 18 years ago, so forgive me if I don't get it all here)

he said, as he extended his hand to shake mine "Friend, comrade, we, and he pointed to all 8 of us, meet on a neutral ground. We meet not as enemies, even though our countries are considered such, We meet as anyone would for the first time.. WE meet and we let our true feelings and souls meet. I harbor no ill will towards you and I hope I never must meet you on battlefield. We part, having our souls connected beyond our mortal frames. I hope one day to meet you when our countries are no longer at odds.. "

he said a few other things i don't exactly recall and only being 20 they might have just been either too hard to understand or too much for my young mind.. but i have always remember him calling me friend, even though he could have called me enemy and killed me where i stood. i learned alot from a sailor who did not speak my language, but we both understood what our hearts wanted to say..

[punkrabbitt]

Wow. we seem to have strayed mightily from sex toys and oral... can we go back now?

[m0nk3yb0y]

I photoshopped a picture to post on my girlfriend's myspace with a link to the article. :P

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6236/onoesjpg2ei.jpg

[gunslinger]

Wow. we seem to have strayed mightily from sex toys and oral... can we go back now?

if you can't keep up, get off you buttplugg

[punkrabbitt]

Don't make me wave my moderator wand and split this topic into The Great Oral/Sex-Toy Debate and Religious Rantings

[gunslinger]

only you would do something like that to avoid reading something you cant' handle..

gotta luv censorship.. the ones censoring always want to hide something..

[m0nk3yb0y]

Or he just likes sex toys.

[punkrabbitt]

I only censor bad stuff about other companies... splitting topics is just a way of giving different ideas dedicated spaces.

Can't handle? Never. Just respectful of other peopoles ideas enough not to express my own.

[Jordan]

Well let's bring the flock back together as one and talk about religiously-themed sexual aids! (http://www.divine-interventions.com/jackhammer.html)

[gunslinger]

I only censor bad stuff about other companies... splitting topics is just a way of giving different ideas dedicated spaces.

Can't handle? Never. Just respectful of other peopoles ideas enough not to express my own.

:shock: :D :shock: i suppose that is one way to look at it.. i don't agree, but whatever.. :twisted:

[Vaxillus]

This is my own view of American culture and its problems. I hope it hangs close enough to the whole banning of sex toys not to get moved, though it focusses far more on the state of life in the US as a whole.

I believe there are two primary sources of much of the trouble here in the US. First, it is the utter corruption of the political system. The last presidential election was the first election I voted in, and thus really the first I paid attention to (I'd just turned 18). When watching the debates, I was utterly appalled at some of the stuf the candidates said about each other. It was hardly political; it was more like watching two preteens argue over something stupid and inconsequential. Mud flew and fallacies were dumped in boatloads over the heads of the conflicting parties. It was saddening and depressing to watch something like this in which the two candidates who were supposed to be the figureheads of the country but heads in one of the most grotesque displays of irresponsible public speaking I have seen.

My point is that the leaders we have allowed to rise to the top in this country are utterly incapable and do not conduct themselves as they should. They are immoral, and it hardly ends with their public conduct. (a politician can practically be summed up in a pie chart by his or her loyalties to special interest groups). We have not only chosen immoral figurehead for this country, but the entire pot from which he was drawn is a cesspool of political corruption.*

At the same time, we cannot throw the blame on these corrupt individuals. We as a people have come to accept this as the norm and thus hardly raise a finger when the Republican party mouthed off it's flip flopping fallacy. Not only that but we have become completely and utterly ignorant. The recent immigration law has literally nothing to do with George Bush, yet he has recieved almost the entire blame for it. This was the doing of the legislative exclusively. In fact, they oppose Bush's views on immigration, yet people directly tie anything political to the president, the King of the US of A. What's sad is that we do not even know our own king, and thus he becomes a straw man to beat up in times when we fail ourselves and our nation.

Pardon my fervor and harsh words, but this is the state of the nation as I see it. It is not the fault of religion, culture, or any political group. The citizens of this country are simply too willing to blindfold themselves and be lead an brought up by people who would likely throw them down a pit if it would give that poitician or social leader any sort of gain. This is only appealing because of the lack of mental effort one must exert to be a participating citizen, but like so many things today, it's just a quick fix.

To relate it back to the original topic, this is why some radical religious groups have been lead into developing a phobia of the sexual (and thus the human) and why people now need to lock the door before they break out good ol' Long John Silver. It is but another way in which are lives can be controlled and regulated.


*Just a note, I can expand on these claims if need be, there are many other reasons why I claim this.

[DarkHost]

http://daregeneration.blogspot.com/2006/04/legislating-boredom.html

Too funny not to read, too sad not to be creeped out about. You get the government you deserve, after all.

Yep. It is called pandering to your political base. And in South Carolina (and elsewhere in the Bible Belt) that would include banning sex toys. Not really all that different from anti-gun legislation you see in liberal states like MA and CA.

That is one nice thing about the USA, is that if you don't like the social/political climate of where you live, you can move to another state more to your liking.

In particular, I had a number of friends that chose to move out of SC specifically because of the conservative climate. Moreover, I moved out of SC in part to escape the bible thumping, blue laws, etc.

Conversely, I had a number of co-workers that wanted to stay in SC specifically because it was conservative.

[prclimber]

Yep. It is called pandering to your political base. And in South Carolina (and elsewhere in the Bible Belt) that would include banning sex toys. Not really all that different from anti-gun legislation you see in liberal states like MA and CA.

That is one nice thing about the USA, is that if you don't like the social/political climate of where you live, you can move to another state more to your liking.

In particular, I had a number of friends that chose to move out of SC specifically because of the conservative climate. Moreover, I moved out of SC in part to escape the bible thumping, blue laws, etc.

Conversely, I had a number of co-workers that wanted to stay in SC specifically because it was conservative.
Precisely...and that is why I am moving to either Vermont, Maine or maybe Wyoming when I'm finally done with an education here. The first two states are much closer to home in Connecticut and polictically much more in keeping with how I view the world which has been described as "European" which would make sense considering my history, ethnic backgrounds, and what I've been exposed to.

Also, someone was talking about women in the Christian church. Personally something about that strikes me as just very wrong. For me, young women have been central to bringing me to my faith. I'm not trying to convert anyone by saying this and if a semi-testimony offends you feel free to skip this but it is key to my point. Anyways, back to where I was going, the vast majority of my friends are female, all of my close friends are female, that's just the way it is and I like it much better that way since I tend to not entirely fit in with the other high school guys since they tend to be loud and immature and care about cars and boobs and guns and such wheras I tend to be rather introverted and quiet and I'm an artistic sort and people say that, emontionally, I can be very much like a girl which I suppose is true. But anyways, I fit in more with girls and it was a group of girls that first witnessed to me and brought me to a church. It was to a group of girls that I asked me first questions about religion and Christianity and what it all meant and it was a group of young girls almost two years ago that first sparked a little fire in my heart to follow the path of a Christian and leave behind my agnostic past. So, to me, women and girls are a very important part of the church, a guy could not have reached me I needed that female touch. As friends I need to have close girl friends simply because they "get" me and my mind infinitely better than most any guy ever could with the exception of two guys that I'm good friends with. And because of this and because I've been raised with a father that travels 5 days of the week and golfs on the 6th and sometimes 7th I tend to have a very favourable view of women and their role in the family.

So it, naturally I think, strikes me very wrongly when I hear at my church the man should lead the family and the woman should take a back seat to him. That his word should always be final and the woman should follow his judgement and trust it because he is a man and the man is supposed to be the one with the greater faith and that is in charge. I inevitably end up challenging this as I plan on my wife acting as my equal and my "other half." I don't expect her to differ everything to me, I'd like to think that she will consult me on most things to hear what I have to say but if she feels like she is making the right decision then I will support her on that and trust that she is being discerning in this decision. I am generally "ganged up on" and shot down. That women are not allowed to hold position in the church also irks me, I feel like many women have the same strength of faith as any man has and they, of course, are women. Women and men are different, obviously, intelletually and I feel like a balance of the two is neccesary. There are things a woman is better suited to than a man and yet, at least in a Souther Baptist church such as my own, men are the only ones allowed to be ministers simply because they were born with a penis. I've found over time that no matter how hard I fight it nobody seems to listen, that the voice of one 16 year old boy who speaks with no southern accent is no match against the voices of 2500 southerners who oppose him. I've found that in my sanity people seem to think that I am, in fact, insane and I've even had people tell me to seek professional help because "you dont think like the rest of us and that's not good." I've had a girl who I loved very deeply end the relationship because her mother didn't approve of me and it was just costing her too much energy and time and emotions to keep fighting her mother and keep telling her that I am, in fact, quite alright and not a bad person simply because I tend to lean to the left. Basically I've found that the south and the culture down here, especially in a religious sense, is highly oppressive. Today in my government class I was apparently the only person who could get their head around why it is unconstitutional to broadcast prayer over the announcments or at a football game. Everyone else seemed to have no problem with that, but I'm sure they would if the prayers were prayers to Allah.

Ok, end of rant. Sorry bout that, just had to get some of the myriad of emotions and thoughts bubbling around in this head of mine out.
Paul

[Sharae]

I've found over time that no matter how hard I fight it nobody seems to listen, that the voice of one 16 year old boy who speaks with no southern accent is no match against the voices of 2500 southerners who oppose him. I've found that in my sanity people seem to think that I am, in fact, insane and I've even had people tell me to seek professional help because "you dont think like the rest of us and that's not good."

[Jordan]

...Also, someone was talking about women in the Christian church. Personally something about that strikes me as just very wrong. For me, young women have been central to bringing me to my faith...
Paul

How ironic then, that your name is Paul, since it was Paul in the Bible who's low opinions about women (and transparent sexual discomfort) were the foundation for chauvanistic and discriminative thought in Christianity.


Wives should be subject to their husbands as to the Lord, since as Christ is head of the Church and saves the whole body, so is the husband the head of his wife.


And as the Church is subject to Christ, so should wives be to their husbands, in everything.


..and they better not want to stinkin' sex toys since their only purpose is to spread their legs and think of flowers while they're seeded!

[prclimber]

..and they better not want to stinkin' sex toys since their only purpose is to spread their legs and think of flowers while they're seeded!

I'm really hoping that was sarcasm.

And yes I've seen both of those verses, if you were trying to say I am wrong or something because of those verses I wasn't neccesarily challenging the fact that those statements are made, more so the way they are "enforced." I feel like if maybe it was taken less as "women are inferior and should submit blindly to the will of their husbands," and more as "women should respect their husbands' judgement and trust that it is in keeping with God's will for the couple's life," then I wouldn't have much of a problem with it if, and only if, it was stated that the man must also respect the opinion of his wife and trust that what she feels and what she thinks and does are equally important. It just disgusts me to see women degraded simply because of their gender and it drives me insane that all of the girls that I am close to are ok with it because in their eyes that is how it is supposed to be. And I'm not saying that a family with a strong father figure is bad, nor am I saying that all southern families or all Christian families are based around the idea that women are inferior it's just that many people seem to think that and it drives me insane.

[Jordan]

..and they better not want to stinkin' sex toys since their only purpose is to spread their legs and think of flowers while they're seeded!

I'm really hoping that was sarcasm.

Well yes, I am the OP who pointed out this ridiculousness in the first place, so you can rest assured that I am being facetious.

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I was just having some fun at the coincidencal namesakery and putting up some items to illustrate was a closet homo and woman hater Paul was. I'm not trying to tell you anything about you. 8)

[prclimber]

Yes, well sorry if the reaction presented was perhaps more than neccesary, I just feel very strongly about this. And yes it is a bit ironic I suppose.

[punkrabbitt]

Can we all be respectful? Religion is a touchy issue, we all think we're right and the other party is wrong, there's not much middle ground.

I choose not to post religious material because I know i will step on toes. Everyone else, i ask to be respectful.

[mooseyjoe]

prclimber, I'm sorry to here that your church is so anti-women. This is one of the reasons why I like my church, everyone is nice and equal :D . We have 6 ministers, 3 of them happen to be women. It isn't always this even, the ratio changes as ministers change churchs, move, or retire, but women are always welcome. I'm also sorry that us southern boys are chasing you off, we're not all bad (even if we do like guns and boobs.

I think part of the problem that people have with the church is a general misunderstanding of it. I am a member of a baptist church, where we have women (instead of female servants) and I go play bass with the praise band every sunday night. 4 blocks from our door is another baptist church that has no women officials (except fo rthe teachers in women's sunday school classes), segregates the sexes at every oppurtunity, and would "twist the gayness out of homosexuals" if they could get away with it. The point is, not all christians believe the same things. Before making a statement along the lines of "i hate it when christians do this...", sit back and think whether or not you mean christians, or fanatic nutcases who happen to own a bible. If the pope has a dumb idea, why should my beliefs be associated with it? I could care less what the pope says, he's not the boss of me. If susie the liberal says we should no longer eat anything but asparagus raised by gay farmers, does that mean that every liberal loves asparagus and gay farmers? No.

As for the sex toys, that's everyones own personal business, and the government shouldn't (and probably wont be able to) interfere. If anybody decides to start an angry mob against these type politicians, and anyone else who likes to force their beliefs and opinions on others, then that is fine with me. I'll even come along, we don't need psychos giving the rest of us christians bad names.


OOOh, side note. Anyone else love to hate Pat Robertson? He is the perfect example of a counterproductive religous zealot.



The bible belt aint so bad. Here in North Carolina we have bojangles, pepsi, and the first krispy kreme. How could you stand to live anywhere else?


hope I haven't stepped on any toes yet.

[Vaxillus]

Can we all be respectful? Religion is a touchy issue, we all think we're right and the other party is wrong, there's not much middle ground.

I choose not to post religious material because I know i will step on toes. Everyone else, i ask to be respectful.
I'd like to second this but at the same time, I don't think people should be afraid of voicing their opinions. As long as people don't load their language, make extreme generalities, or close themselves off to others views, it should be fare game in my opinion. This is how we learn, and I cansidder the lack of courtesy people give each other when they argue over these things is the main reason the population is so divided: we refuse to understand each other.

Of course, I suppose I was a little 'colorful' with my rant a page back, but if I'm wrong I'm hoping someone gets angry and says something, hopefully with more tact that I had shown.


I've found over time that no matter how hard I fight it nobody seems to listen, that the voice of one 16 year old boy who speaks with no southern accent is no match against the voices of 2500 southerners who oppose him.Every avalanche starts with a single pebble.

[mooseyjoe]

I'd like to second this but at the same time, I don't think people should be afraid of voicing their opinions. As long as people don't load their language, make extreme generalities, or close themselves off to others views, it should be fare game in my opinion. This is how we learn, and I cansidder the lack of courtesy people give each other when they argue over these things is the main reason the population is so divided: we refuse to understand each other.

word to that homie g-slice.




Man, I'm really bad at this gangster thing.

[Vaxillus]

I'd like to second this but at the same time, I don't think people should be afraid of voicing their opinions. As long as people don't load their language, make extreme generalities, or close themselves off to others views, it should be fare game in my opinion. This is how we learn, and I cansidder the lack of courtesy people give each other when they argue over these things is the main reason the population is so divided: we refuse to understand each other.

word to that homie g-slice.




Man, I'm really bad at this gangster thing.
It's ok my homie dog in a G-string. :lol:

[Mr. Gone]

Well well well... seems like a lot of venom directed towards the Catholic church here, or more appropriate venom to the the Pope. Before anyone makes some blanket comments about particular religious organizations, perhaps it is best to keep in mind that the individuals who comprise such organizations fall into the 'mortal" category, and are therefore not without sin as decribed within their own Holy works. Evn the Pope is fallible, and if you were to talk to any modern Roman Catholic about the history of the Church, I am sure they would agree that mistakes have been made. I have yet to meet any who would describe the wholesale slaughter of Jews and Pagan during the various Inquisitions as being either justifies or in keeping with the tenets of their own Holy texts. I could be wrong, I have not had a chanceto talk to evryone, of course. I am only mortal, after all. But criticizing any long-term religious belief based upon the actions of its self-described imperfect leaders is equivalent to criticizing the American or British governments, or even the entire soieities, based upon who is in power today. Is America or Britain a bad place just because of who is in charge? Maybe some radical Muslims think so, but that goes back to my original point, doesn't it?

Out of all the main faiths present within our "Western" culture, only four are internally consistent: Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, and Latter Day Saints. These are the only four in which their structure and organization is refered to within their own Holy texts. To all you alternative Christians out there, have you ever noticed how only the Catholic Church is mentioned in your Bible? Ever notice how your translation has left some books out that were considered canonical until the Protestant reforms? If there were books held Holy for close to 1500 years, what changed? Why not drop the rest as well? And where is your form of religion in your Holy texts?

[prclimber]

prclimber, I'm sorry to here that your church is so anti-women. This is one of the reasons why I like my church, everyone is nice and equal Very Happy . We have 6 ministers, 3 of them happen to be women. It isn't always this even, the ratio changes as ministers change churchs, move, or retire, but women are always welcome. I'm also sorry that us southern boys are chasing you off, we're not all bad (even if we do like guns and boobs.

I think part of the problem that people have with the church is a general misunderstanding of it. I am a member of a baptist church, where we have women (instead of female servants) and I go play bass with the praise band every sunday night. 4 blocks from our door is another baptist church that has no women officials (except fo rthe teachers in women's sunday school classes), segregates the sexes at every oppurtunity, and would "twist the gayness out of homosexuals" if they could get away with it. The point is, not all christians believe the same things. Before making a statement along the lines of "i hate it when christians do this...", sit back and think whether or not you mean christians, or fanatic nutcases who happen to own a bible. If the pope has a dumb idea, why should my beliefs be associated with it? I could care less what the pope says, he's not the boss of me. If susie the liberal says we should no longer eat anything but asparagus raised by gay farmers, does that mean that every liberal loves asparagus and gay farmers? No.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to make a blanket statement about Christians being bad or anything it's just that this is the only church body I've been a member of and I guess I've been exposed to the side of things that I really don't like. I've been looking at other churches but I really feel like it's better for me to just stay where I am and hope and pray for some change. As to the southern guys, well I'm not really too keen on the South in general, nothing wrong with it, I mean there are defintely parts about it that I do like but in general I just find myself more at home in New England.

On the Catholic Church, I don't really mind them at all, they tend to be accepting for the most part and I really think that Catholicism gets a bad rap mostly by Christians of other denominations who don't understand it. I was born into a Catholic church but my parents never go and consequently I never went either but I still know a very good deal about the church. As a young adult now I tried to go there for a little while just to see what it was about and see if that was right for me, but I found that for me, personally, Catholcism isn't the right fit, but like I said, I hold nothing against them at all. As a matter of fact, of all of the peoples I've come in contact with across the world of various religions I actually tend to find that most of them are in fact a whole lot more understanding and kind and a whole lot less xenophobic than a good part of the Bible Belt Christians. Actually, despite my youth, I think I can safely say that many non-American cultures are very accepting and very open. Not saying America sucks or anything just that for the most part people here tend to be highly nationalistic in an almost exclusive or elitist way, which to me, is a turn off.

[mooseyjoe]

Nothing wrong with catholics, I've been dating one for the past 14 months. :D

[Cain]

RELIGION:

Begin with religious beliefs. A striking proportion of rain forest dwellers are polytheistic, worshipping an array of spirits and gods. Polytheism is prevalent among tribes in the Amazon basin (the Sherenti, Mundurucu, and Tapirape) and in the rain forests of Africa (the Ndorobo), New Guinea (the Keraki and Ulawans), and Southeast Asia (the Iban of Borneo and the Mnong Gar and Lolo of Vietnam). But desert dwellers?the bedouin of Arabia, the Berbers of the western Sahara, the !Kung of the Kalahari Desert, the Nuer and Turkana of the Kenyan/Sudanese desert?are usually monotheistic. Of course, despite allegiances to a single deity, other supernatural beings may be involved, like angels and djinns and Satan. But the hierarchy is notable, with minor deities subservient to the Omnipotent One.

This division makes ecological sense. Deserts teach large, singular lessons, like how tough, spare, and withholding the environment is; the world is reduced to simple, desiccated, furnace-blasted basics. Then picture rain forest people amid an abundance of edible plants and medicinal herbs, able to identify more species of ants on a single tree than one would find in all the British Isles. Letting a thousand deities bloom in this sort of setting must seem natural. Moreover, those rain forest dwellers that are monotheistic are much less likely to believe that their god sticks his or her nose into other people?s business by controlling the weather, prompting illness, or the like. In contrast, the desert seems to breed fatalism, a belief in an interventionist god with its own capricious plans.

SOCIETY:

Another major difference was brought to light by Melvin Ember. Desert societies, with their far-flung members tending goats and camels, are classic spawning grounds for warrior classes and the accessories of militarism: military trophies as stepping stones to societal status, death in battle as a guarantee of a glorious afterlife, slavery. And these cultures are more likely to be stratified, with centralized authority. A cosmology in which an omnipotent god dominates a host of minor deities finds a natural parallel in a rigid earthly hierarchy.

As for the other correlates, desert cultures, with their militarism, stratification, mistreatment of women, uptightness about child rearing and sexuality, seem unappealing. And yet ours happens to be a planet dominated by the cultural descendants of the desert dwellers. At various points, the desert dwellers have poured out of the Middle East, defining large parts of Eurasia. Such cultures, in turn, have passed the last 500 years subjugating the native populations of the Americas, Africa, and Australia. As a result, ours is a Judeo-Christian/Muslim world, not a Mbuti-Carib/Trobriand one. So now we have Christians and Jews and Muslims in the wheat fields of Kansas, and in the cantons of the Alps, and in the rain forests of Malaysia. The desert mind-set, and the cultural baggage it carries, has proven extraordinarily resilient in its export and diffusion throughout the planet. Granted, few of those folks still live like nomadic pastoralists, guiding their flocks of sheep with staffs. But centuries, even millennia after the emergence of these cultures, they bear the marks of their desert pasts.

What are we to make of the correlations between environment and cultural practices? Think of humans as the primates that we are, and it makes perfect sense. Go discover two new species of monkeys never before seen. Know nothing about them other than that one lives in the trees of an Amazonian forest and that the other walks the arid scrubland of Namibia, and a card-carrying primatologist can predict with great accuracy the differing sex lives of the two species, which is the more aggressive, which is the more territorial, and so on. In this respect, we are subject to the influences of ecology, like any other species. Still, two big differences make us distinctive. First, human cultures allow far more?and far more dramatic?exceptions to rules than one finds in other primates. After all, our mean old Judeo-Christian/Muslim world has also produced peaceful Quakers and Sufis. In contrast, no olive baboon, living a savanna life that favors omnivory, has ever opted for vegetarianism as a moral statement.

In the end, if we want to understand how people find answers to these intensely personal, individuating questions, we must admit some biology in the back door. We already recognize the many ways in which genetics, neurochemistry, and the endocrinology of depression affect whether a person constitutionally views life as a vessel half empty or half full. We are even beginning to glimpse a biology of religious belief itself. There are neurological injuries that cause religious obsessions, neuropsychiatric disorders associated with ?metamagical? thinking; there are brain regions that regulate how tightly an organism demands a link between cause and effect, potentially creating room for insight into that odd phenomenon we call faith.

To answer the question, How did I become who I am? we must incorporate myriad subtle and interacting factors, from the selective pressures that shaped our primate gene pool eons ago to the burst of neurotransmitters in the previous microsecond. Maybe it?s time to add another biological variable to the list: When our forebears pondered life?s big questions, did they do so while contemplating an enveloping shroud of trees or an endless horizon?

***********TO ALL:

I presented the above to generate some thought about the world of Samaria and not offend anyone... Very Happy So please everyone take it all with a grain of salt. The site I referenced http://www.arthurmag.com/magpie/, if you check out you will see that borrowed generously and I also did some creative editing so as not to offend anyone's beliefs (though I may have already done that... Rolling Eyes ) Hey I like to look at life from different angles Smile . Hope you enjoyed!

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I posted the above sometime ago...I am Catholic, but I also see some merit in the Wiccan beliefs...call me crazy :D

[Sharae]

Evn the Pope is fallible

Um, Papal infallibility?

I wouldn't have so much of a problem with the guy if he didn't sit there claiming he is always right because he's God's representitive on Earth.

*School child voice* Well I'm always righter times a million, so there!


Can we all be respectful? Religion is a touchy issue, we all think we're right and the other party is wrong, there's not much middle ground.

I choose not to post religious material because I know i will step on toes. Everyone else, i ask to be respectful.

I appologise if anything I say offends anyone, in the end it's merely my opinion, which is my right to have, but everyone elses as well :)

[DA_Magpie]

Evn the Pope is fallible

Um, Papal infallibility?



You know, I wondered about that one myself.

[Kyle]

The Pope is only infallable in certain situations. Sometimes the Pope speaks as the Pope but he can announce that he is now speaking as the Catholic Church. Only when he is speaking as the church is he infallable. Basicically a Pope has to formerly anounce an "infallible" statement.

Guess who went to Catholic school.

[Jordan]

Guess who went to Catholic school.

Brom?

[DA_Magpie]

Guess who went to Catholic school.

The Pope? No, that's too obvious...

Winnie the Pooh maybe?

[Kyle]

I was thinking me, but the Pope and Brom are good guesses and likely accurate.

[Stunke]

So Winnie the Pooh was not one of them?

[punkrabbitt]

Can we discuss the relative benefits and detriments of oral instead?

[Kyle]

Ya don't really want to switch from a discussion on Catholicism (wow) to one on sex. The whole priest thing just gets too icky!

[ericski]

All this talk about religion sure does bust up the excitement of sex toys....

[punkrabbitt]

Fo instance, why do prefer oral to otherwise, or not?

[Shinobi]

Just don't mention the Aardvarks or Armadillos.......... :roll:

[xeoran]

Just don't mention the Aardvarks or Armadillos.......... :roll:

Thats just wrong... :shock:

Hmm, like 1984 all over again.....

[gunslinger]

Fo instance, why do prefer oral to otherwise, or not?

erm if i understood this ill worded question, i might be able to help you punky, but alas, i do not have your ability to understand your typo language..

[punkrabbitt]

I find no typos. Ah, the beauty of Mod powers :twisted:

[Vaxillus]

I find no typos. Ah, the beauty of Mod powers :twisted:
I still see typos. Anyway, why not just do it the good old fashioned way?

[punkrabbitt]

And correct it in a follow up post rather than just correcting the original message and all quotes thereof?

[DA_Magpie]

Or maybe he was talking about oral?

[punkrabbitt]

There's an old-fashioned way to do oral? Earliest records of oral come from Babylon, about 1500 B.C., so you'll be hard pressed to find something older than that.

[gunslinger]

And correct it in a follow up post rather than just correcting the original message and all quotes thereof?

all i know is your sentence neither made sense then nor does it now.. so, if you would like me to respond, i suggest you make it a decipherable english sentence..

[punkrabbitt]

Its a compound sentence with several verbs referring to one subject. It is grammatically correct. It refers to the previous post asking why not do things the old-fashioned way, which I took to mean correcting posts before I had Mod powers. :twisted:

[DA_Magpie]

Never before have I seen a mod work so hard to get the conversation onto a sexual topic. We must all be far too mature around here. :roll:


There's an old-fashioned way to do oral? Earliest records of oral come from Babylon, about 1500 B.C., so you'll be hard pressed to find something older than that.

Bonobos (pygmy chimps) are man's closest living relatives and they enjoy oral (as well as pretty much any other sexual practice

[punkrabbitt]

Never before have I seen a mod work so hard to get the conversation onto a sexual topic. We must all be far too mature around here. :roll:

Maturity is over-rated. I prfer sexual topics to religious ones because we can all participate in a sense other than "I'm right and you're wrong." Or at least i can :)

[DA_Magpie]

I was pleased to see that we all stayed quite mature around the religion. Maybe because anyone with really extreme views would get put off by all those terrible heretical so-called

[Vaxillus]

There's an old-fashioned way to do oral? Earliest records of oral come from Babylon, about 1500 B.C., so you'll be hard pressed to find something older than that.
Yeah, two different subjects in my previous post. As in the 'old fashioned way,' I meant the usual way of having sex, which despite the fact that we have special names for oral and anal does not have its own name and is thus harder to destinguish.

[DA_Magpie]

Technically speaking its

[gunslinger]

Maturity is over-rated. I prfer sexual topics to religious ones because we can all participate in a sense other than "I'm right and you're wrong." Or at least i can :)

and you don't think there are those that would argue right and wrong ways to have sex? i bet there are. and excluding religion, there are pagans that will and won't do certain sex acts as well.. so.. maturity has nothing to do with it.

[Sharae]

and you don't think there are those that would argue right and wrong ways to have sex? i bet there are.

There are definately people who would say there are right and wrong ways to have sex. Those people are usually very boring especially in bed.

I, for one, would say that if there is a 'right way' to have sex it is to have fun with it. If all those involved are having fun, it's all good :wink:


and excluding religion, there are pagans that will and won't do certain sex acts as well.. so.. maturity has nothing to do with it.

Pagan:
# One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially a worshiper of a polytheistic religion.
# One who has no religion.
# A non-Christian.
# A hedonist.

If what you mean is personal preference then yeah, of course there are people who prefer to do some stuff and not do some stuff - without some outside reason of 'wrongness' or 'rightness'. It's just a preference and that's that.

[gunslinger]

and excluding religion, there are pagans that will and won't do certain sex acts as well.. so.. maturity has nothing to do with it.

Pagan:
# One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially a worshiper of a polytheistic religion.
# One who has no religion.
# A non-Christian.
# A hedonist.

If what you mean is personal preference then yeah, of course there are people who prefer to do some stuff and not do some stuff - without some outside reason of 'wrongness' or 'rightness'. It's just a preference and that's that.

i think that's exactly what i posted in different words.. so, yes i would agree to that..

of course some of my friends (pagans) do practice religion, usually druidic or other in nature, so again, guidelines can easily be drawn as to what is ok and not ok according to the organization (using that word rather than religion because it is a bit more neutral)

[Vaxillus]

I, for one, would say that if there is a 'right way' to have sex it is to have fun with it. If all those involved are having fun, it's all good :wink:
What way isn't fun?

[mooseyjoe]

rape

[m0nk3yb0y]

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a247/a247.gif

[Vaxillus]

rape
True

and then there's this: http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2897

Monkeyboy reminded me :(

[dragonlady]

Rape is a crime of violence that deserves a violent response!!



Hello Rapist, meet my boyfriends: Smith and Wesson!!

[punkrabbitt]

I awlays thought rape should be a capital crime, but my idea of capital punishment has always been a sentence to medical experimentation!

[Vaxillus]

I awlays thought rape should be a capital crime, but my idea of capital punishment has always been a sentence to medical experimentation!
Does that include grafting?

[Sharae]

I awlays thought rape should be a capital crime, but my idea of capital punishment has always been a sentence to medical experimentation!

Ditto.

@m0nk3yb0y: *Falls over laughing*

[m0nk3yb0y]

Has anyone seen the movie Vulgar? It's one of View Askews movies. Really low budget. The guy who plays Dante in Clerks is the main character. Let's just say it includes the raping of a clown.

[gunslinger]

Rape is a crime of violence that deserves a violent response!!



Hello Rapist, meet my boyfriends: Smith and Wesson!!


ok, here is irony 101

a man is arrested in Australia for raping a 16 year old girl. He is sentenced to 24 years in prison. not 4 years later, he is sent to a mental institution because he has been raped over 1000 times (these rapes are all documented from what i here) and is now a bit looney. the 16 year olds life will never be the same but this guy certainly got what was coming to him....

[Vaxillus]

Rape is a crime of violence that deserves a violent response!!



Hello Rapist, meet my boyfriends: Smith and Wesson!!


ok, here is irony 101

a man is arrested in Australia for raping a 16 year old girl. He is sentenced to 24 years in prison. not 4 years later, he is sent to a mental institution because he has been raped over 1000 times (these rapes are all documented from what i here) and is now a bit looney. the 16 year olds life will never be the same but this guy certainly got what was coming to him....That's why I'm never going to prison if I can avoid it. If he was raped over 1000 times over the course of four years, that must mean at least once a day. :shock: I'm not sure how that's physically possible (the body would not stand up to that kind of abuse, even if it was performed the propper way with a boy and a girl).

[punkrabbitt]

Do you mean the proper way being consensual? Becasue I know people who have sex every day, sometimes twice a day, every day for multiple years.

[ericski]

365 x 4 = 1460 days. 1460 / 1000 = 1.46 days between "encounters."

[m0nk3yb0y]

At least his anus got a little rest. :P

[Vaxillus]

Do you mean the proper way being consensual? Becasue I know people who have sex every day, sometimes twice a day, every day for multiple years.
Seems I'm mistaken in that matter then. The 'proper' way was intended to mean guy and girl the genital way, or the other way with proper lubricant.


365 x 4 = 1460 days. 1460 / 1000 = 1.46 days between "encounters."
That's .46 days between encounters :wink: . In other words, once about every 36 hours. Then again, it said over 1000. Anyway, why are we (or should I say 'I') debating this?

Edit: Scratch the above 'math,' what am I thinking. This is the second time I've done something this stupid. I guess I was thinking .46 days more than once a day. Anyways...I fail

[punkrabbitt]

Seems I'm mistaken in that matter then. The 'proper' way was intended to mean guy and girl the genital way, or the other way with proper lubricant.

My question is still whether this is consensual or not. Because getting raped every 36 hours is gonna make anyone twitchy regardless of their gender or the body parts involved. But consensual? A lot of folks would say "Bring it on" since they already have consensual intercourse two to three times a day for years on end.



That's .46 days between encounters :wink: . In other words, once about every 36 hours. Then again, it said over 1000. Anyway, why are we (or should I say 'I') debating this?

Because we're pervs and it's fun?

[Vaxillus]

Seems I'm mistaken in that matter then. The 'proper' way was intended to mean guy and girl the genital way, or the other way with proper lubricant.

My question is still whether this is consensual or not. Because getting raped every 36 hours is gonna make anyone twitchy regardless of their gender or the body parts involved. But consensual? A lot of folks would say "Bring it on" since they already have consensual intercourse two to three times a day for years on end.
I suppose I mean consensual in the 'propper' way, but I was reffering to physicl damage rather than psychological. There's no lubrication in jail, so it's gonna be hard to sit down.

[Sharae]

I suppose I mean consensual in the 'propper' way, but I was reffering to physicl damage rather than psychological. There's no lubrication in jail, so it's gonna be hard to sit down.

With or without lube consentual anal can damage over time, so I wouldn't want to think of the hurt caused by rape that way...


A lot of folks would say "Bring it on" since they already have consensual intercourse two to three times a day for years on end.

I don't know about men, but with us girls lots of sex can wear out our pelvic floor muscles, which wouldn't have very pleasent effects... Unless you're into that sort of thing.

[Ochaye Beers]

According to some doctor I saw on the TV you can lose continence through bum banditry.

[Sharae]

According to some doctor I saw on the TV you can lose continence through bum banditry.

Yup. Wear and tear to the muscles down there is not good. People who aren't careful, or don't have a choice, could very well end up back in nappies.

[Ochaye Beers]

Lovely. :?

[gunslinger]

Moderation in all things.. too much of anything can be a bad thing..

[punkrabbitt]

So in re consensual, we're back to oral if we want to do it lots and lots?

[DarkHost]

Here is an FindLaw article discussing legal challenges to a similar Alabama law.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20040804.html