Spray Tempates vs Terrain

[Osiris]

I'm curious about the affects of templates.

If there are three Banes being attacked by a Toxic Mistress and one of them in hidden behind a ruined wall (unvisible to the Mistress) and she uses her template to hit the other two and the template covers the thrid and the boulder will the boulder protect the Third Bane acting as a barrier or will the chemical deluge (rain, wash, flow etc) over taking out the last Bane regardless.

Cheers,

Osiris

[Pitfall]

I would assume that if the terrain blocks LOS, it would also block the spread of template attacks. However, if the terrain only provides cover (half-walls, terrain stands, etc.) I would say that the unit would be hit.

[gunslinger]

i believe that mr.sota has answered this question before..

impassable terrain would block the template.

[DA_MrSota]

Pg. 36 Genesis
Area of Effect Weapons and Terrain
Even though these weapons use a template that does not mean they can penetrate impassable Terrain. Should the AoE
template cross Terrain that you could not normally target a
Unit over, or through, then the effect stops there.

[Art-de-Vivre]

Pg. 36 Genesis
Area of Effect Weapons and Terrain
Even though these weapons use a template that does not mean they can penetrate impassable Terrain. Should the AoE
template cross Terrain that you could not normally target a
Unit over, or through, then the effect stops there.

above rule seems very clear to me as it makes sense.
The last couple of games though, we played on terrain made w/ worldworksgames : some figures based on elevated terrain could shoot downward, no problems. But what about units based on the ground or in canyons shooting upwards ?
We figured that when a target was on the edge of elevated terrain, it was in plain view so that it could be hit; still we could not really agree on the situation when the targeted unit was further back.
What say you, Mr Sota ?

PS : we considered that our terrain (see pix on the battlereport for Malaysia) did not represent actual heights of the real fighting ground, cos for playability the ridges were not very high (3 - 6 cm mostly)

[Stunke]

What I do:
Place the template pointing horisontally when firing sprays and streams from above, point from the ground and at an angle when firing up.

[gunslinger]

with buildings and such.. i play it pretty simple.. if the template covers teh model, it's hit.. ever really seen how a flamethrower wraps around doors and fills up hallways above and below? watch some of the footage from WWII and you get an idea of how effective these weapons were.. holy crap they were destructive especially in building to building sweepouts

[DA_MrSota]

I'm not getting a visual of what you are asking. I think I have an idea....but need more of a visual to make sure?

[night hunter]

I think he is asking- may be wrong- but similar issues have come up in our games when using multi-level terrain.

When firing a SP/ST weapon at a different level do you-

A- put the template on the gun and up/down toward target to see if it reaches, who else it covers, or if impassible terrain blocks it.
(shooter's POV approach)

or B- template is looked at from 'above' the table and level to the table from the shooter's base to cover the target to check range,etc...
(level template approach)

or something else entirely?

[DA_MrSota]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6831/img4253mb1.jpg

Do you mean like the Dragyri that are on this? (because they are on a different height?)

[Pitfall]

More important than the rules question; where can I get some of that terrain? Looks nice, but pretty inexpensive I assume? Is that made out of cardstock?

[Vaxillus]

More important than the rules question; where can I get some of that terrain? Looks nice, but pretty inexpensive I assume? Is that made out of cardstock?
Here I think: http://worldworksgames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=30

From what I understand, there may be plans to get some DA specific stuff. Don't quote me though.

[Art-de-Vivre]

I'm not getting a visual of what you are asking. I think I have an idea....but need more of a visual to make sure?

yep, the picture you're showing is the right terrain but not the right situation. Let me try and depict it better :



C---- B
iiiiiiiiiiiiiii
iiiiiiiiiiiiiii
iiiiiiiiiiiiiii ----- A


unit A : the shooter with a spray weapon (toxic mistress or firestorm for instance)

unit B : target standing on the edge of the ridge

unit C : target standing on the ridge but a few cm away from the edge


Scenario 1 : A shoots B, since B is in plain sight, normal rules apply and B gets sprayed

Scenario 2 : A shoots C (B is occupied elsewhere so is not obstructing)
A can see part of C but not totally, so how can we account for the partial cover provided by the edge ?

[Vaxillus]

Unofficial answer: The cover is ignored. I think a good rule of thumb is if the firing mini has any LOS to another mini (the target) covered by the template, the target gets hit.

[DA_MrSota]

If the template touches them, it's an auto hit, the cover matters not, now if they were a little bit back and the template couldn't hit them, or if a wall was in the way, then it wouldn't hit them.

[night hunter]

I guess I assumed that the template was also 3D, like the described sphere in the blast rules.

Thus it would be possible to hit C while shooting at B, even if C could not be seen, depending on if it is possible to rotate the template and not hit interfering terrain- but terrain has a hard time stopping liquid and fire in a situation like that.

Some play with using the real world logic that you can use weapons like a flamethrower as a hose and arc it, but hard to simulate in real life.
Thats why many seem to like the template above and see who is under it.
Personally I like the shooter POV appraoach, but it is sometime hard to work.

What are others doing?