Frantic Toxin

[Father Crowcry]

Hello togehter!

A friend of mine and myself just started playing Dark Age. I've a question about Frantic Toxin:

When a victim of Curwen is hit and fails the Frantic-Toxin-role at the beginning at its nexxt activation a scatter role is made. Here is my problem: When still in BtB-Contact with Curwen and the scatter is showing in the direction towards him, what is to do? Will the victim just stand and attack Curwen for all APs?! Would be very bad for him...

If the model is going away from Curwen and going into BtB-contact with another model, it will attack with its last APs. The attack group is randomly determined. Is the group determined at the beginning for ALL remaining APs or is it determined before every single attack?!

If a model is going away from Curwen and moved the centimeters shown on the dice, what will happen to the remaining APs? They are wasted?

Help would be great :)

(I'm from Germany, if there are any faults in my text, please excuse :wink: )

[Pr0fane]

Hello Father Crowcry! Great name! LOL...I'm guessing you're a Skarrd player. :wink:

No problem about your english at all. If you get really stuck trying to explain something, we have at least two members who are also German and could help you out; DA_Demorney and Freakbrain!

I'll let the more Rules oriented members answer your question, I just wanted to welcome you to Dark Age officially.

So...welcome to your newest favourite addiction!

[bj]

Welcome!

Ok here's a good clarification that should help you out.

Curwen attacks a unit, the unit is hit and either makes their Armor save or has multiple wounds. They survive Curwen's attack. The unit then receives a Frantic counter. When the unit next activates they must make a Panic test at -4 PS, if they fail the PS check they flee. Roll a d20 and the unit must spend all their AP's in movement in the direction indicated on the d20. If at any time the unit crosses any other unit's path, friendly or enemy, the unit whos path was crossed gets one free attack using the highest CA AS attack, this is the Cowardice Will Not be Tolerated rule.

[Jamie]

Using the situation as stated, would Curwin receive a free assault since the unit has to break from combat in order to flee and then receive another attack from the Cowardice will not be tolerated rule?

[bj]

yes, as for the highest AS attack, it's actually the best. An attack with a multiplier can be used instead of an attack without a multiplier. It isnot a free AP, just a free attack.

[Father Crowcry]

Hello and thanks very much for your replies!

@ DA_Pr0fane: Indeed, I'm a Skarrd-Player :) But I've got a Brood-Army, too.

@DA_bj: Thanks for the clarification! In Exodus the ability is described in another way. The "fleeing" model moves in the direction since it comes in BtB-contact with any other model. Then the model who suffers Frantic Toxin attacks that model (never mind if friend or foe).
Which one is the right version?

Thereto I've got another question. Are the rule-discussions here and the errata declared by the producers of DA? So, are they obligatory on tournaments?

[bj]

Sorry, forgot Frantic is special. Correction:

Frantic is not Panic.

So you roll the dice and roll a '5' you move the model the distance indicated use up your remaining AP frantically smacking any unit you are B-t-B with then end you activation.


Thereto I've got another question. Are the rule-discussions here and the errata declared by the producers of DA? So, are they obligatory on tournaments?

Yes. Errata in print is obligatory. Although we try to update the Errata it is possible that a change or two may slip through. At this point it is up to the tournament judge to rule accordingly based on their experience and informed decisions. Normally discussions and clarifications of a rule are just that, and do not often require Errata.

[bj]

So going back to your original questions:


When still in BtB-Contact with Curwen and the scatter is showing in the direction towards him, what is to do? Will the victim just stand and attack Curwen for all APs?! Would be very bad for him...

Stand and attack Curwen. Frantic does not induce Panic. Panic is the only circumstance that would allow a unit to move through an enemy unit. The same goes for if the model is surrounded by enemy models, in this case 1 AP is spent for movement (the unit does not move) and the unit changes the facing depending on the direction rolled on the dice.


If the model is going away from Curwen and going into BtB-contact with another model, it will attack with its last APs. The attack group is randomly determined. Is the group determined at the beginning for ALL remaining APs or is it determined before every single attack?!

Determined before every single AP.

Ignore my ignorance from the previous clarification, working a lot of hours tends to fog the brain...... :oops:

[Father Crowcry]

Ah, ok, thanks a lot! :)


Ignore my ignorance from the previous clarification, working a lot of hours tends to fog the brain...... :oops:

Don't mind, I know the feeling of a fogged brain too good... :D :wink:

Hm, then Frantic Toxin can be a danger for Curwen itself AND his comrades. I don't know, if Frantic Toxin is such a great ability as I first thought it is... :(

[Pr0fane]

Heh heh, one thing you will learn is that, with Dark Age...there is nothing

[gunslinger]

[quote=DA_Pr0fane]Heh heh, one thing you will learn is that, with Dark Age...there is nothing

[Father Crowcry]

[quote=DA_Pr0fane]Heh heh, one thing you will learn is that, with Dark Age...there is nothing

[DA_Grafter]

the miniature of Curwen is substantially larger than a normal size human because of his mutations. As for the template, we will have a look at it.

[Galyn]

I find the templates often simply get in the way, regardless.
Even if with the right sized base cut-out in the center I often have an out-stretched arm or weapon mucking up the program.

Besides, as its measured from the base edge, its simple to measure it like anything else: with a tape measure. And, just rotate the tape measure in the required semi-circle. (This does work much better if you mark the base's front arc). No different than checking for Threat-Zone Target Priorities, Cohesion, etc,.

Random Hobby Tip: I use a 1/16" drill to drill holes in my bases for the Front Arcs. A lot of people use simple painted dots or lines. Nothing wrong with this. Except -- that's too close to freehand for "Sir Shakes-A-Lot-When-He-Slips-His-Meds" (aka Galyn). The drill holes give me a very clean consistent look to my arc markings (And its a good excuse to bust out the power tools when I've slipped my afore mentioned meds :twisted: )

[gunslinger]

I find the templates often simply get in the way, regardless.
Even if with the right sized base cut-out in the center I often have an out-stretched arm or weapon mucking up the program.

Besides, as its measured from the base edge, its simple to measure it like anything else: with a tape measure. And, just rotate the tape measure in the required semi-circle. (This does work much better if you mark the base's front arc). No different than checking for Threat-Zone Target Priorities, Cohesion, etc,.

Random Hobby Tip: I use a 1/16" drill to drill holes in my bases for the Front Arcs. A lot of people use simple painted dots or lines. Nothing wrong with this. Except -- that's too close to freehand for "Sir Shakes-A-Lot-When-He-Slips-His-Meds" (aka Galyn). The drill holes give me a very clean consistent look to my arc markings (And its a good excuse to bust out the power tools when I've slipped my afore mentioned meds :twisted: )

if you like the powertoos, why not create the "arcs" that fit (wrap) around the front of the base and expand to their appropriate length from wood. some 3/16" plywood should work wonderfully.

[Galyn]

This is sliding OT but:

I can't find 30 & 40mm bits.
I've seen 50mm (shell style for door handles) -- but that's only because its 2".

But, every metric drill sets I've found all stop well short of 30mm. Not to mention that's looking like freehand cutting forthe outside edge. That could only be worse than freehand painting. :)

What's word from the rest of the world -- Are they available in the metric-convert countries? I only have a million or so uses for base-sized drill bits.

[Pr0fane]

You just need to broaden your search parameters a bit. Look for metric hole saws. :wink:

https://www.hermanshaseverything.com/department/bimetal-metric-hole-saws-10670.cfm

I don't know why that site is "secure"...but it doesn't install anything when you click in.

[Galyn]

Lol. I just never considered web searches.
Never crossed my mind until my above post.

You know, living wwaayy out in the wilds of Indiana you would think its the one thing I could find out here (that and tractor tires). But, yeah, so far my searches have been confined to the 'Hey, I'm already in a hardware store... whatelse do I need?' style hunts. Odd sized Tractor Tires, btw, are no problem as it turns out. LOL